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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/16/24 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8123 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 2:33 pm to
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This is comical. Surely you don't actually believe this?


Do I believe in the poll? I don't think Macron's more aggressive stance on Russia came out of left field.

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Yeah, once Russia takes Ukraine they will easily pass through 5 more countries on their way to France

How many countries did Iraq have to go through to get to the United States before the US invasion of 2003?

"We'll fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" isn't a new talking point.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19539 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 2:38 pm to
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Their demographics not horrible


The fertility rate for ethnic French is probably around 1.7. The foreign population boosts their numbers a lot.

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The GDP of France is double that of Russia.


How many millions of rounds of 155mm can they produce? How many SPGs and air defense systems can they manufacture in a year?
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 2:49 pm
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8123 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 2:42 pm to
Wow, there are some really harsh criticisms in this article.

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The war is a turning-point for Russia. It has consigned Mr Putin’s regime to broad international isolation. He has also had to deal with difficult domestic political undercurrents, from the rebellion by the mercenaries of the Wagner Group and other pockets of the military—for instance in Belgorod—to ethnic tensions in several Russian regions and the recent terrorist attack in Moscow. These show that political risk in Russia is very high. Mr Putin may recently have been re-elected, but he faces all kinds of possible black-swan events.

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Adding to the risks confronting Mr Putin, the war has convinced more and more former Soviet republics that Russia’s imperial ambition threatens their independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity. Increasingly aware that a Russian victory is out of the question, these states are distancing themselves from Moscow in different ways, from forging economic-development policies that are less dependent on Russia to pursuing more balanced foreign policies. As a result, prospects for the Eurasian integration that Russia advocates have dimmed.


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China’s relations with Russia are not fixed, and they have been affected by the events of the past two years. Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, has just visited Beijing, where he and his Chinese counterpart once again emphasised the close ties between their countries. But the trip appears to have been more diplomatic effort by Russia to show it is not alone than genuine love-in. Shrewd observers note that China’s stance towards Russia has reverted from the “no limits” stance of early 2022, before the war, to the traditional principles of “non-alignment, non-confrontation and non-targeting of third parties”.


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Since the war began China has conducted two rounds of diplomatic mediation. Success has proved elusive but no one should doubt China’s desire to end this cruel war through negotiations. That wish shows that China and Russia are very different countries. Russia is seeking to subvert the existing international and regional order by means of war, whereas China wants to resolve disputes peacefully.

You can't say things like that in China without some form of approval, not unless you want to end up in a re-education camp.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
518 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 2:55 pm to
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You can't say things like that in China without some form of approval, not unless you want to end up in a re-education camp.


Isn't this magazine based in London? If so I think ya boy will be safe from the camps. He's an interesting chap for sure. Just did a quick read of his recent works. Appears he's always been anti ruskie, and claims that China will never be able to take Taiwan....this is an odd one
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 3:10 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9840 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 3:30 pm to
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Isn't this magazine based in London? If so I think ya boy will be safe from the camps. He's an interesting chap for sure. Just did a quick read of his recent works. Appears he's always been anti ruskie, and claims that China will never be able to take Taiwan....this is an odd one


The man lives in Peking, you cannot publish anything in foreign media without Xi's approval or face the consequences.

Every Chinese person I've known hates doing business with Russians. Russians NEVER deliver according specs in the agreements. It doesn't matter if its oil, mineral ores, or limestone. One even opted to buy from Libya shortly after Qaddafi was killed rather than buy from Russia.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 3:32 pm
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
518 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 3:33 pm to
Yea just saw the Peking thing. Weird given his opinion on Taiwan.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
855 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 3:48 pm to
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Within a few months, we could be supplying and financing 3 conflicts. Ukraine, Israel and possibly Taiwan. At some point, we might actually need some 155mm rounds ourselves.


When it rains it pours... intentionally, in this case...

The collective West needs to shift to a War time production economy, now, before it is too late.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
855 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 4:14 pm to
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So how does that work? If a NATO country attacks a non NATO country, are they still able to draw everyone else in with article 5?


NATO is a defense-only pact.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10628 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 4:44 pm to
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Within a few months, we could be supplying and financing 3 conflicts. Ukraine, Israel and possibly Taiwan.


There is a zero point zero percent chance that China moves on Taiwan in the next several years. (Much less 3 months)

The straights between China and Taiwan are 100 miles wide. And the water is rough. Like normal 6-8 foot seas.

I spent some time reading the war game computer model of what it would take to conquer Taiwan. And it was something like tens of millions of tons of supplies. (A good bit of which was fuel) Plus something like 1.2 million troops.

China doesn't have the boats. It doesn't have the landing craft. It doesn't have the assembly areas., It doesn't have anything like what it would take.

And, imagine assembling all of that tens of thousands of vessels and over 1 million men with all their gear. And doing it along the most densely populated waterfront area in the world. (Basically equivalent to assembling the largest army the world has ever seen along the waterfront in Lower Manhattan).

It would take years to manufacture, and then many many months to assemble and get it organized.

The whole world would know about it for well over a year (It took Putin a year to move 300,000 men and their invasion equipment by train from around Russia to invade Ukraine).

And then send that entire mass on men and material across a 100 mile wide sea, all the while being observed and pummeled by hundreds of combat aircraft (F22, F35) and thousands of drones.

It simply cannot be done.

If China takes Taiwan it will be via a socio, economic, political process. Not by overt armed invasion.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
518 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 4:48 pm to
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all the while being observed and pummeled by hundreds of combat aircraft (F22, F35) and thousands of drones.


And where are these coming from?
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10628 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 4:56 pm to
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And where are these coming from?


Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Singapore, and the United States of America
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
518 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 4:58 pm to
K.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 5:05 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2683 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 5:23 pm to
Ukrainian Engineers Design ‘Kronos’ Submarine That Fires Torpedoes

The Kronos submarine seacraft supposedly can move without sound at a speed of 50 kilometers per hour and can carry a payload of explosives.
by Kyiv Post | April 16, 2024,

A submarine vessel that is capable of firing torpedo rockets conceptualized by Ukrainians at a United Arab Emirates-registered company has undergone tests for warfare use, the manufacturer announced.

On its website, the company, Highland Systems, says the vessel is able “to accommodate 10 passengers.”

The Kronos submarine seacraft supposedly can move without sound at a speed of 50 kph (30 mph) per hour, and can carry a payload of explosives.

According to Oleksandr Kuznetsov, one of the developers, the Kronos submarine boasts a pressure chamber and an underwater outlet for divers. Additionally, it's equipped with a remote control system, making it operable as a drone.



The Kyiv Post
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
518 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 5:25 pm to
Man that's one wicked looking sub
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
855 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 5:46 pm to
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There is a zero point zero percent chance that China moves on Taiwan in the next several years. (Much less 3 months)

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You are correct on all of your points. But the people saying Putin would not invade Ukraine (and I was one of the people who believed them on that) were right on all the points, too... and he still did it.

Because it is an irrational action by an irrational player, a desperate Hail Mary in the face of things they actually can't control (demographic collapse, downturning economy, and diminishing global power).

Xi has officially given his military a date of 2027 to conquer Taiwan... Xi does not have any advisors and gets no information about anything except what he wishes to hear. So it will proceed if that is what he said, one way or another.

Do we want to wait until late 2026 when that army starts being amassed on the coast to get our shite in gear?

Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
855 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 6:17 pm to
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His credentials mean that Xi allowed his article to be published. That's not a good look for Russia, especially his concentration on Sino-Russia relations.



Vladimir Putin is trapped in an information cocoon

This is remarkable.... it is completely true, it is the "Dictator's Dilemma," anybody who delivers bad news falls out of a window... it happens to every despot with no checks in a system.

but Xi has done the same thing to himself by most accounts, surrounding himself only with sycophants (not even really "Yes Man" because they are not even asked anything to reply to...) and in a much, much shorter time frame.

So... many questions about this article...



Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9840 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 6:56 pm to
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but Xi has done the same thing to himself by most accounts, surrounding himself only with sycophants (not even really "Yes Man" because they are not even asked anything to reply to...) and in a much, much shorter time frame.

So... many questions about this article...


Short answer, Xi is not fond of Putin at all.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3795 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:59 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky emphasized that continued shortages in air defense systems and artillery are preventing Ukraine from effectively defending itself against Russian strikes and ground assaults.

Zelensky signed a new mobilization law on April 16, codifying a difficult but critical decision in Ukraine’s efforts to stabilize its force generation apparatus and adequately prepare the Ukrainian fighting force both defensively and offensively.

Russian forces in eastern Ukraine are using smaller groups to conduct assaults and are reportedly suffering from morale issues, but Russian attacks are unlikely to culminate in the near term despite these challenges because of Ukrainian materiel shortages.

A Russian Storm-Z instructor argued that Russian forces should capitalize on Ukrainian disadvantages brought on by materiel shortages to increase Russian guided glide bomb strikes to support Russian ground operations.

Russian President Vladimir Putin continued to show support for Iranian aggression against Israel during a March 16 call with Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi.

People’s Republic of China (PRC) President and General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Xi Jinping met with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on April 16 and proposed prerequisites for the end to the war in Ukraine in a manner that suggests that Xi is continuing to posture himself as a neutral mediator in the war despite increasing reports of China’s support for the Russian war effort.

Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) recently destroyed a Russian Nebo-U long-range radar station in Bryansk Oblast.

The Kremlin continues to centralize authority over Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov’s “Akhmat” Spetsnaz forces via the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD).

Russian federal censor Roskomnadzor is considering banning TikTok in Russia.

Russian forces made confirmed advances near Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and Donetsk City and in western Zaporizhia Oblast amid continued positional engagements along the entire line of contact on April 16.

The Republic of Tatarstan is reportedly preparing a new youth employment program that would allow minors aged 14 and older to work at Russian defense industrial base (DIB) enterprises, likely as part of an ongoing effort to expand the Russian DIB.

Russian occupation officials are using the education system, particularly history courses, to Russify Ukrainian children living in occupied areas.


Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19993 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:21 pm to
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Every Chinese person I've known hates doing business with Russians. Russians NEVER deliver according specs in the agreements.


Neither does China a whole of the time.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19362 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:23 pm to
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So how does that work? If a NATO country attacks a non NATO country, are they still able to draw everyone else in with article 5?

France didn't join us in Iraq. Germany didnt either.
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 10:24 pm
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