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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:49 pm to
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:49 pm to
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but what would you do differently?


Would have given Ukraine a hell of a lot more of what they needed last year and would quit dragging arse on things now that we can help with getting them
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:50 pm to
We were supplying the countries fighting the Axis powers with weapons, Japan attacked and we joined the war. We weren’t sitting on our hands by any means. Horrible comparison.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
2493 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 6:53 pm to
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Not do anything?


Somewhere closer to “nothing” than the “blank check” end of the spectrum we are flirting with. But not nothing
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36457 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:27 pm to
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We'd be much better off investing in infrastructure rebuild and modernisation of our energy grid.


We did that, remember July of 2021?

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Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act Statute of the 117th United States Congress
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19535 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:27 pm to
By system, I assume he meant battalion, which would be up to 48 launchers. 23 battalions would be somewhere around 1,100 launchers.
This post was edited on 4/10/24 at 10:11 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 7:32 pm to
We initially went to war because Iraq invaded and conquered Kuwait, and they were threatening Saudi Arabia. We couldn’t stand by and let Iraq disrupt the free flow of oil.

The second war was to disarm Saddam. Thd Clinton’s and then W said he had WMDs and was ready to use them.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3791 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:19 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

The Ukrainian military’s effective use of drones on the battlefield cannot fully mitigate Ukraine’s theater-wide shortage of critical munitions.

Zelensky stated that there are no mitigations for insufficient air defense systems and indicated that Russian strikes are forcing Ukraine to reallocate already scarce air defense assets to defend Kharkiv City.

Zelensky warned about the threat of a potential future Russian ground offensive operation targeting Kharkiv City, which would force Ukraine to reallocate some of its already-strained manpower and materiel capabilities away from other currently active and critical sectors of the front.

The Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada considered and adopted provisions from Ukraine’s draft mobilization law on April 10 as part of an ongoing effort to increase the sustainability of Ukrainian mobilization over the long term.

Russian officials continue to indicate that they are not interested in any meaningful negotiations on the war in Ukraine amid Switzerland’s announcement that it will host a global peace summit on the war on June 15 and 16.

Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov attempted to downplay tension in Armenian-Russian relations amid Armenia’s continued efforts to distance itself from political and security relations with Russia.

Russian Investigative Committee Head Alexander Bastrykin claimed that Russia has no economic reason to import foreign labor, a direct contradiction of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s recent efforts to justify Russia’s current migration laws to his xenophobic ultra-nationalist constituency.

Russian forces recently captured Ivanivske, a settlement east of Chasiv Yar, and advanced near Avdiivka.

Eight Russian senators and 16 State Duma deputies submitted a bill to the Russian State Duma that would likely allow Russian authorities to deploy Russian Federal Penitentiaries Service (FSIN) employees to Ukraine, amid reports that Russia is intensifying its crypto-mobilization efforts.


Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
849 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:17 pm to
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We initially went to war because Iraq invaded and conquered Kuwait, and they were threatening Saudi Arabia. We couldn’t stand by and let Iraq disrupt the free flow of oil.

The second war was to disarm Saddam. Thd Clinton’s and then W said he had WMDs and was ready to use them.


Oh, I remember, and have friends who were deployed for both.

I recall the first Gulf War, after months of preperations and over a month of bombing the shite out of Iraq the "boots on the ground" portion of combat lasted 4 days, and the Iraqis mostly just fled...

But then much of the coalition we had assembled for that were confused and pissed when we stopped and did not remove Hussein from power. And the word back then was "the Saudis told us not to remove Hussein," which made no sense... he had just threatened to invade them and they were now asking us to keep bases in their country to make sure he didn't.

But what they knew and we did not (and didn't realize in the second Iraq War, either) is that by toppling him we turned Iraq from Sunni Arab Nationalist ruled country into one democratically controlled by the actual majority group in the country, Shiites... and this instantly makes them an ally of Iran's Islamic regime, who are Saudi Arabia's regional foe, and that makes Iran much stronger rather than they were...
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
548 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:25 pm to


Probably either the largest gas storage facility in Ukraine or some NATO equipment coming in.



Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
548 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:30 pm to


Posted by ColtRange
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548 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:32 pm to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
849 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:20 am to
quote:

Would have given Ukraine a hell of a lot more of what they needed last year and would quit dragging arse on things now that we can help with getting them


I just happened to be listening to Peter Zeihan,the geopolitical expert, being interviewed.

He predicted the Invasion of Ukraine years ago, down to the month and year.

He gives the reason "why" and "why now" which we all should know (but some argue against)...

"Why?" Russia has always been obsessed with creating a buffer of states around itself to make up for its lack of any natural defense points (mountains, uncrossable rivers) coming in from the West, which allowed them to be invaded a lot, and from the South...

So Russian leaders have always wanted to control the surrounding states on all sides to use their natural barriers, and use their people are cannon fodder insulation to protect Moscow and St. Petersberg. This has always been the country's driving thing, from the Tsars to Stalin... and they finally got it in 1945.

And they lost it in 1989 - 1991... and, even before Putin, they've been trying to get it back... this is the 9th war post-Soviet Russia has launched with its neighbors since 1989.

They do want Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe back under their control... in Hungary and Slovakia they seem to be pulling that off by getting sympathizers elected to power, the rest... I guess they will try to do militarily.

We (the US) always knew this is what they were trying to do... we just didn't seem to care very much. Possibly too distracted by the War on Terror or other things? Possibly thinking globalism had made them feel secure as a resource supplier that Europe was dependent on and wasn't threatening, so they wouldn't act on it for a while?

But their impending demographic collapse (and the generally cratering health of much of their young male population, anyway) made this particular time a "now or never" thing for them. They're running out of bodies.

And he thought they'd pull it off within a week and that Europe and the US would react the same way they had with Crimea... finger-wagging and nothing really potent in response.

But... that convoy headed to Kyiv, with more firepower than the Ukranian military probably had at the time... well, that was that, right. It was over.

But... why did they stop? Oh, the gas had been mostly siphoned off and sold and nobody checked and they ran out.

Okay, supply trucks will be there any minute now and...


Wait, why are the Russians walking back to Belarus? They forgot to bring food!?!

"And it was at this exact moment that the Pentagon collectively shite its pants, because it realized that the modern Russian military is not a military, it's a mob with guns and incompetent leadership... but nuclear weapons... which means when it does attack a NATO country and goes face to face with an actual NATO army, it will be decimated... and when that happens and there is no other barrier to existential elimination of the Nation-state of Russia... somebody there will launch the nukes. What will they have to lose?"

So we want the Ukrainians to win... and so do the NATO countries in the area, save for Hungary and maybe Slovakia... because the specter of escalation is in the next phase.

So he argues that we're actually NOT dragging out giving them gear. We gave them everything that didn't require training to use that we could. The problem is... we're understocked to begin with because of our internal political battles on budgets and the fact that we just got out of two conflicts that were like fighting street gangs that did not have an air force or tanks, so we neglected certain types of things. And of course, now we have internal political opposition to helping them, too.

The Ukrainians would be doing much better if they were able to fight a mobile war and inflict 8:1 casualties like they have done at points, but the weather/mud has destroyed mobility so they are stuck in stasis positions fighting off meatwave and artillery attacks, and with Russian numbers 5:1 casualties are not enough. When they can move again, and with the arms Europe and hopefully the US is giving them, they should...

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
1521 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:04 am to
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Upon winning, he just said that I, like most Americans, had no idea how awful Putin and his inner circle really are...
This experience with your friend is a microcosm of the discussions going on in Western governments today. Your friend realized through study and observation that Putin is a hard psychotic. The KGB didn't recruit anything else.

Without that study and observation, most Western leaders choose denial supported by the rationalization of Russian propaganda. The exceptions to this are governments bordering Russia that do indeed have that long study and observation of the very hard reality.

Unfortunately, we are stuck with Sullivan, a person that believes that doing nothing is a viable option when confronting such sickness.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
1521 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:28 am to
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As I have said before, I know for a fact that Mike feels personal grief at this. The spread of the Gospel matters to him more than just about anything else. It's part of why I have been extremely confident that more aid to Ukraine WILL get passed, even if it costs Mike the Speaker position -- he will consider it worth the sacrifice.
Love ya GOP, but Mike Johnson has shown no grief for nor support of the Ukrainian people. What he has shown is a spineless ability to follow orders without thinking of the consequences. He can wrap himself in the Gospel but ultimately he will have to answer for his severe failings as a Christian and as a member of the church.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3791 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 6:41 am to
Random tweets

quote:

"Centrenergo" has announced the loss of 100% of its generation following the destruction of the Trypilska TPP in the Kyiv region

Trypilska TPP was the largest supplier of electricity to Kyiv, Cherkasy and Zhytomyr regions.

Earlier, the Zmiyivska TPP in Kharkiv region was destroyed. The Uglegorska TPP in Donetsk region is under occupation.

LINK

quote:

Lithuania handed Ukraine a new package of military aid, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Lithuania reports.

The package includes "anti-drones", generators and clamshells for the Ukrainian army.

"[...] About 84 million euros have already been provided this year, and the goal is to maintain this dynamic of support," the message reads.

LINK

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
2493 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:03 am to
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"Why?" Russia has always been obsessed with creating a buffer of states around itself to make up for its lack of any natural defense points (mountains, uncrossable rivers) coming in from the West, which allowed them to be invaded a lot, and from the South...



Yeah I'm sure they invaded Ukraine because they have the same geopolitical philosophy and fears that they did when Napoleon was ruling France.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10619 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:08 am to
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Yeah I'm sure they invaded Ukraine because they have the same geopolitical philosophy and fears that they did when Napoleon was ruling France.



Nah. It was mostly because they needed their:

Coal deposits
Fertile farm land
Gas fields along EU pipelines
Warm water ports

Very few people give Putin too much credit on this issue. We know it wasn't a matter of political philosophy. More like simple ego and greed.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2680 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:14 am to
Ukrainska Pravda...

Russia damages Ukrainian power facilities in five oblasts
Thursday, 11 April 2024, 10:23

Russia has damaged Ukrenergo’s substations and generation facilities in Odesa, Zaporizhzhia, Lviv, Kharkiv and Kyiv Oblasts as a result of a massive missile attack on the night of 10-11 April (Ukrenergo is the electricity transmission system operator in Ukraine).

Source: NPC Ukrenergo’s press service

Quote: "The Russians have carried out a new massive attack on energy infrastructure facilities. Enemy missiles and drones damaged Ukrenergo’s substations and generation facilities in Odesa, Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhia, Lviv, and Kyiv oblasts," the statement said.

The company also added that emergency outage schedules had been applied in Kharkiv Oblast. Currently, no consumption restrictions have been applied in other regions.

The Trypillia thermal power plant (TPP) has been completely destroyed in a large-scale Russian missile attack on the early morning of 10-11 April.

Source: Andrii Hota, Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Private Joint-Stock Company (PJSC) Centrenergo, a major electric and thermal energy-producing company in Ukraine's centre and east, in a comment to the Interfax-Ukraine news agency

Details: Hota reported that all the workers who were on shift during the attack have survived. The bombardment caused a large-scale fire in the turbine hall. Efforts to contain the fire are currently underway.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
2493 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:21 am to
quote:

Warm water ports


This reason above all else, by quite a bit
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9830 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 7:21 am to
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Gas fields along EU pipelines


Huh?

The main land pipeline to Europe from Russia for decades has been through Ukraine to the hub in Austria.

While Ukraine's conventional oil and gas reserves had been depleted, it had given concessions to Shell, in the Donbas, Chevron, in Crimea and offshore, and Exxon, west of the Dnipro. They were to develop the known tight shale formations like we've done in the US. This was before Russia invaded in 2014
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