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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:36 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:36 am to
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Does any of this still sound like a stalemate?


No, it sounds like a fairy tale.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:49 am to
Which part? Because Ukraine begging the world now for foot soldiers says (make that screams) alot.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:50 am to
Ukraine Battle Map
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Russian Ship Askold stationed in Kerch after it was hit by a Ukrainian launched SCALP-EG Cruise Missile



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This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 11:51 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:52 am to
Besides just a few weeks ago you were trying to treat your cognitive dissonance with saying how Ukraine losing all that land and Putin not moving forward was a stalemate!
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8126 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:55 am to
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If the war goes on, I think Russia collapses economically by 2025, but the Ukrainians may not be inclined to fight that long.

Russia raised rates to 15% which kills their government borrowing, domestic/consumer economy, etc.

Ukraine's desire to keep fighting seems solid. I think they're just desperate to avoid falling under Russian influence.

Any proposed peace deal that doesn't let Ukraine join the EU is DOA. EU ascension is in the constitution of Ukraine.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:30 pm to
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Errerrerrwere

You really are terrible with numbers aren't you. First it was $113B was half a trillion not it's all of this

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Half a million Ukrainians dead

Giving you the benefit of the doubt you are probably referencing Troop Deaths and Injuries in Ukraine War Near 500,000, U.S. Officials Say

but you missed two key things. The first is that this is inclusive of WIA and the second is that it is for both Russia and Ukraine combined
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Ukrainian figures, which the officials put at close to 70,000 killed and 100,000 to 120,000 wounded.


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billions in infrastructure gone

The one part you got right because you just reference the volume and not an actual figure

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50% of Ukraines are either refugees, dead or under Russian control.

Just wrong again
Ukraine has a population of 43.79M as of 2021 (down from 45.27M in 2014 before all of this began). You claim that 21.9M are either dead, refugess or under Russian control.

Let's see
6.232M are refugees globally

The highest realistic death rate for the military I've seen is around 121,000 for Ukraine. But just to show you how far off you are, let's assume ALL 700,000 active and 900,000 reservist in the miliary suddenly died

Civilian deaths are just under 10,000

So that gets us up to 7.84M

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under Russian control.


Russia claims controls over 5 oblasts, but they only fully control 1. Again to show how far off you are let's assume the full populations of each.

Crimea - 2,416,856
Luhansk - 2,104,531
Donetsk - 4,062,839
Zaporizhahia -1,640,876
Kherson - 1,002,923
LINK 1 LINK 2


In total that is 19.07M and makes some very LARGE assumptions and still doesn't amount to 50%

This article has a "worst case" number that still doesn't get you to 50% and doesn't overestimate the numbers like I did. It places the number closer to 11M have left or are under Russian control.
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With Russia now occupying about a fifth of the country's territory, Libanova estimates the population in areas controlled by Kyiv could already be as low as 28 million, down from a government estimate of 41 million before the Feb. 24, 2022 invasion. The estimates exclude Crimea, annexed by Russia in 2014, which had around 2 million people at the start of that year.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:37 pm to
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Russian Ship Askold stationed in Kerch after it was hit by a Ukrainian launched SCALP-EG Cruise Missile


They fcked that ship up
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:53 pm to
Like I said, his post was s fairy tale, a Russian fairy tale.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10647 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

Errerrerrwere


quote:

Serious question: when a large, aggressive state invades a smaller neighbor, should the victim state in that situation just roll over and submit? Or should they fight back?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36530 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:17 pm to
The Russian supporters say “surrender”.
There’s no use getting people killed.
Posted by ImaObserver
Member since Aug 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:27 pm to
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Russian Ship Askold stationed in Kerch after it was hit by a Ukrainian launched SCALP-EG Cruise Missile

Placing a big order for Bondo now.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:32 pm to
It's getting real in South Kherson. Ukraine is now moving armor across the Dnipro: LINK
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36483 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 6:20 pm to
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Heard it from a political insider


Roflmao

Most hysterical comment yet and that includes the biolabs and discarded q theories.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 6:23 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
26135 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 7:06 pm to
Purported video of the actual attack:

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Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 7:18 pm to
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Purported video of the actual attack:


Best part is how Russia used the ship to intercept the two missile……
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8126 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:38 pm to
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It's getting real in South Kherson. Ukraine is now moving armor across the Dnipro: LINK

This is interesting, and it's interesting for two reasons:
1) Ukraine still have a lot of their western equipment, because they stopped running into death traps in July.
2) Russia likely had enough time to fortify positions to prevent a serious breakthrough in the south.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8126 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:39 pm to
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Most hysterical comment yet and that includes the biolabs and discarded q theories.

Someone actually believed the biolabs stuff?

Which part? Did they believe in the "bio-engineered death pigeons?"
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3804 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:50 pm to
ISW Update

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Imprisoned ardent nationalist and former Russian officer Igor Girkin argued that Russian forces will be “even less capable of offensive operations than they are now” by spring 2024 given the current nature of Russian offensive operations along the frontline.[1] Girkin’s wife, Miroslava Reginskaya, published a hand-written letter from Girkin dated October 26, in which he summarized the frontline situation in Ukraine for the month of October. Girkin claimed that the situation for Russian forces is “gradually deteriorating” and that Russian forces are showcasing “growing weakness (compared to [Ukraine’s] capabilities,” despite Russia’s “generally successful repulsion” of the Ukrainian offensive over the summer and fall of 2023

Girkin suggested that Russian efforts to repel Ukrainian localized attacks across the frontline and simultaneous fall-winter offensive operations will likely degrade Russian offensive and defensive potential by spring 2024. Girkin noted that Russian forces would need to spend the rest of the fall-winter campaign on the defensive to try to eliminate emerging operational crises – such as the Ukrainian presence in the east (left) bank of Kherson Oblast. Girkin argued that Russian forces will continue to be “incapable of any broad offensive actions” even if Ukrainian forces are unable to “knock out” Russian frontline units, fail to achieve a breakthrough over the fall-winter season, and are exhausted

Girkin implied that additional Western military aid to Ukraine and the lack of mobilization in Russia could allow Ukraine to end positional warfare and conduct successful offensive operations in 2024. Girkin stated that Ukrainian forces are continuing to use Western-provided materiel to target the Russian rear and even destroy the Berdyansk airfield in occupied Zaporizhia Oblast against the backdrop of Russian offensives in Avdiivka. Girkin implied that Ukrainian forces would continue to devastate the Russian rear over the winter as Russian forces continued to push for limited offensive operations. Girkin stated that once Ukraine receives Western-provided F-16 fighter jets, Ukrainian forces could have localized advantages for a short period of time on any section of the frontline. Girkin added that Ukraine could be “seriously strengthened in military-technical terms” with Western military equipment.

Russian milbloggers appear to be grappling with how Russian forces can overcome wider operational challenges in Ukraine, likely in response to Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi’s recent essay on the subject of “positional warfare.” Select milbloggers argued that specific changes in battlefield tactics will allow Russian forces to achieve their desired operational objectives in the current difficult operational environment

Select Russian milbloggers specifically argued that the use of small infantry assault groups will allow both Russian and Ukrainian forces to better achieve operational objectives along the front. Russian milbloggers argued on November 3 and 6 that concentrated attacks with large forces attempting to break through a stable defense to full depth is increasingly ineffective and suggested that small infantry groups with comprehensive support may be more effective at achieving significant operational effects in the current operational environment

Russian sources suggested that some Ukrainian forces may already be fielding the small infantry assault groups that these sources are advocating for. A Russian milblogger noted that Ukrainian forces already appear to be employing this adaptation in ongoing ground operations on the east (left) bank of Kherson Oblast, where the milblogger claimed that small Ukrainian assault groups operating at the operational-tactical level have been able to divert considerable Russian combat resources and attention from elsewhere along the front

The war in Ukraine is likely exacerbating an emerging identity crisis within Russian society resulting from tensions between Russian identity and Russian nationalism. Russian "Vostok" Battalion Commander and Russian Orthodox ideologue Alexander Khodakovsky wrote two long Telegram posts on November 6 about what it means to be "Russian," acknowledging a schism in Russian national identity that has largely resulted from the ideological arguments advanced to justify and mobilize support for Russia's war in Ukraine

Khodakovsky's musings offer insight into some socio-cultural implications of Russia's pursuit of ideological goals in its war in Ukraine. In several ways, the war has narrowed the conception of what it means to be Russian among Russian ideologues, particularly as concepts of identity are increasingly defined by hyper-nationalist and pro-war information space voices who amplify the Kremin's ideological line on the war and redirect it at domestic audiences

Russian forces conducted missile and drone strikes against rear areas in southern Ukraine on the evening of November 5 and on the night of November 5 to 6 as well as the largest series of glide bomb strikes to date against targets in Kherson Oblast on November 5. Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command reported that Russian forces launched a Kh-59 cruise missile at Dnipro City and a Kh-31P anti-radar missile at Odesa City on November 5

The Russian military appears to have increased its stock of high-precision missiles due to reported increases in Russian missile production more rapidly than previous forecasts had suggested. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Spokesperson Vadym Skibitskyi stated on November 6 that Russian forces have a total of 870 high-precision operational-strategic and strategic missiles in reserve. Skibitskyi previously stated on August 28 that Russian forces had a total of 585 long-range missiles in reserve, indicating that Russian forces have increased their missile reserves by 285 missiles since August.

Skibitskyi also commented on Russian domestic drone production on November 6, stating that the GUR has not observed the movement of Shahed drones from Iran to Russia as Iran has fulfilled its first Shahed supply contracts with Russia.[37] Skibitskyi stated that Iran may still send small batches of Shaheds to Russia, however.[38] Skibitskyi also stated that Russia has begun to increase the domestic assembly of Shahed drones with components from Iran including at the factory in Alabuga, Tatarstan Republic

Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut and Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) directions

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3804 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 8:50 pm to
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Key Takeaways:

Imprisoned ardent nationalist and former Russian officer Igor Girkin argued that Russian forces will be “even less capable of offensive operations than they are now” by spring 2024 given the current nature of Russian offensive operations along the frontline.

Russian milbloggers appear to be grappling with how Russian forces can overcome wider operational challenges in Ukraine, likely in response to Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief General Valerii Zaluzhnyi’s recent essay on the subject of “positional warfare,” and not coming to optimistic conclusions.

Select Russian milbloggers specifically argued that the use of small infantry assaults groups will allow both Russian and Ukrainian forces to better achieve operational objectives along the front. Russian sources suggested that some Ukrainian forces may already be fielding the small infantry assault groups that these sources are advocating for.

The war in Ukraine is likely exacerbating an emerging identity crisis within Russian society resulting from tensions between Russian identity and Russian nationalism.

Russian forces conducted missile and drones strikes against rear areas in southern Ukraine on the evening of November 5 and on the night of November 5 to 6 as well as the largest series of glide bomb strikes to date against targets in Kherson Oblast on November 5.

The Russian military appears to have increased its stock of high-precision missiles due to reported increases in Russian missile production more rapidly than previous forecasts had suggested.

Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, in eastern Zaporizhia Oblast, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced in some areas on November 6.

Russian occupation officials are expanding military recruitment and registration offices in occupied territories, likely in support of coercive mobilization efforts.

Russian officials continue to weaponize youth engagement programs to consolidate social control of occupied areas of Ukraine.


Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38516 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 9:49 pm to
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Like I said, his post was s fairy tale, a Russian fairy tale


Let me know when you guys are winning?

Member when they were marching all the way to Moscow? I member.

Seems like years ago.
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