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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:18 pm to
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:18 pm to
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You knowing the size of his dick and balls doesn't surprise me, considering the amount of dick sucking you Call of duty warriors do to him in this thread



I'm sorry I didn't set my metaphor and satire metre to bleedingly obvious for you and your compatriots below.

I'll go back to posting reality based information about the war though as I've got the last few weeks of being limited to mainly scrolling out of my system - thanks.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:27 pm to
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They gonna be able to turn back towards Tokmak from there?



Personally, I don't think that they are going to try. I think that Ukraine will use the next few weeks to take Verbove and push southeast along the higher ground south of that town.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:28 pm to
Satellite footage of the strike on Black Sea Fleet Command buildings near Sevastopol.

https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1704801675087630637

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Aftermath of the Ukrainian strike at the Black Sea fleet command post near Sevastopol. Comparison of the
planet satellite imagery captured on Aug. 22 and Sep. 21. Russia claimed that all the rockets were intercepted, and the smoke seen on the video was caused by a burning grass.



22nd August


21st September


https://twitter.com/MalcontentmentT/status/1704830869863882783 - Video comparison

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The C3 alternate HQ for the Black Sea Fleet at Verkhnosadove, occupied Crimea, got hammered by Storm Shadow cruise missiles.


It is interesting how Storm Shadow strikes have started popping up again since the claimed S-400 hit a few weeks or so ago. Prior to the last week Russian sources were claiming that the reserve of these missiles had been exhausted or destroyed since their use had dropped to almost zero for several weeks.
Posted by laxtonto
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:36 pm to
The same can be said with antimissle and antiair static systems, especially in Crimea.

Where things gets dicey is that if there is no static air/missile defenses then the other high $$ value targets are going to get pummeled.

If the Ukraine and lob thier own limited home grown systems and the limited storm shadows they have right now and hit on better than 2 to 1 targets, it is well worth depleting their limited supplies.

How can Sevastapol stay a valid hub for the fleet if their is no umbrella to protect anything tied up to the morrings to refuel/repair/rearm?

What keeps the airbases in Saki or Kacha from being hit to steadily bleed whats left of the Russian Airforce and more importantly ground and repair personnel? Without the large missile screen, there are less and less locations to hide their high value targets and so it becomes more and more likely either those assets get hit or they have to be moved out of theater and are essentially expensive paperweights.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:45 pm to
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It is interesting how Storm Shadow strikes have started popping up again since the claimed S-400 hit a few weeks or so ago. Prior to the last week Russian sources were claiming that the reserve of these missiles had been exhausted or destroyed since their use had dropped to almost zero for several weeks.



Personally, I would guess that those Russian sources were correct, and then Ukraine received another shipment of missiles.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 8:53 pm to
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Personally, I would guess that those Russian sources were correct, and then Ukraine received another shipment of missiles.


That is where I am leaning, or potentially that their stocks were getting low so they curtailed their use until they could take out the S-400 to improve the chances of successful strikes.
Posted by WhereisAtlanta
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:05 pm to
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That is where I am leaning, or potentially that their stocks were getting low so they curtailed their use until they could take out the S-400 to improve the chances of successful strikes.



Sometimes the when is the most important part.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:57 pm to
ISW Update

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Ukrainian armored vehicles are operating beyond the final line of the Russian defensive layer that Ukrainian forces in western Zaporizhia Oblast are currently penetrating, although ISW is not yet prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have broken fully through this Russian defensive layer. Geolocated footage posted on September 21 indicates that Ukrainian armored vehicles advanced south of the Russian anti-tank ditches and dragon’s teeth obstacles that are part of a tri-layered defense and engaged in limited combat immediately west of Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv).[1] It is unclear if Ukrainian forces retain these positions, however. This is the first observed instance of Ukrainian forces operating armored vehicles beyond the Russian tri-layer defense.[2] The presence of Ukrainian armored vehicles beyond the final line of the current Russian defensive layer indicates that the Ukrainians have secured their breach of the first two lines of this layer sufficiently to operate vehicles through the breach. Ukrainian forces have likely suppressed Russian artillery and other anti-tank systems in the area enough to bring their vehicles forward.[3] The Ukrainian ability to bring armored vehicles to and through the most formidable Russian defenses intended to stop them and to operate these vehicles near prepared Russian defensive positions are important signs of progress in the Ukrainian counteroffensive.[4] Additional geolocated footage published on September 20 and 21 indicates that Ukrainian forces also advanced west and southwest of Verbove

Russian forces currently defending in western Zaporizhia Oblast have been unable to prevent Ukrainian forces from making gradual but steady advances since mid-August. ISW has consistently observed Ukrainian forces making slow but regular advances in western Zaporizhia Oblast despite the Russian military’s lateral redeployment of elements of relatively elite units to reinforce Russian defensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast.[8] The Russian military laterally redeployed elements of the 7th Guards Mountain Airborne (VDV) Division and the 76th Guards VDV Division to the Robotyne area in mid-August to repel Ukrainian attacks and possibly to relieve elements of the 22nd and 45th Separate Spetsnaz Brigades that had been counterattacking against Ukrainian advances during the earlier phases of Ukrainian counteroffensive operations

Ukrainian forces conducted a series of drone and missile strikes targeting the Russian airfield near occupied Saky, Crimea, and may have damaged Russian aircraft. The Department of Strategic Communications of the Ukrainian Armed Forces stated that Ukrainian forces launched a combined attack on the Russian airfield near Saky (60km north of Sevastopol).[12] Suspilne Crimea reported that sources in the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) stated that the SBU and the Ukrainian Navy launched drones to overwhelm Russian air defense systems near the airfield and then conducted strikes with Neptune missiles.[13] Twelve Russian combat aircraft including Su-24 and Su-30 fighter-bombers, were reportedly present at the time of the strikes, and Suspilne’s SBU sources stated that strikes caused unspecified serious damage at the airfield.

Satellite imagery confirms that Ukrainian forces also struck the 744th Communications Center of the Command of the Black Sea Fleet in occupied Crimea on September 20 as part of an apparent Ukrainian effort to target Black Sea Fleet facilities.[16] The imagery shows that the Ukrainian strikes destroyed a significant portion of the command post near Verkhnosadove (16km northeast of Sevastopol)

Russian forces conducted a notably large series of missile strikes against Ukraine on the night of September 20 to 21, likely to correspond with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to the United States. Ukrainian sources reported on September 21 that Russian forces launched 44 Kh-101/Kh-555/Kh-55 cruise missiles targeting Ukrainian energy, industrial, and civilian infrastructure in Kyiv City, Cherkasy City, and Lviv City.[22] Ukrainian air defenses reportedly intercepted 38 Russian cruise missiles.[23] Ukrainian sources also reported that Russian forces launched six S-300 missiles at Kharkiv City

The Kremlin continues to seek to intensify divisions between Ukraine and its Central European partners following Russia’s withdrawal from the Black Sea Grain Initiative. The export of Ukrainian grain along European land routes has emerged as an area of tension between Ukraine and its European partners since Russia’s withdrawal from the initiative in July and its attacks on Ukrainian port infrastructure since then, and ISW has previously assessed that Russian strikes on Ukrainian port and grain infrastructure are part of a Russian campaign to damage Ukrainian relations with its Western neighbors.[28] Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morwiecki announced on September 20 that Poland would focus on building up its own weapons arsenals and would no longer transfer weapons to Ukraine.[29] The Polish and Ukrainian Ministers of Agrarian Policy agreed on September 21 to work together to find a solution regarding the export of Ukrainian agricultural products in the coming days, however.[30]

The Russian State Duma will reportedly propose a bill allowing the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) to include volunteer formations amid continued rumors about the Wagner Group operating alongside Rosgvardia. Russian Chairperson of the State Duma Committee on Information Policy Alexander Khinshtein announced that members of the State Duma and Federation Council plan to introduce a bill on September 22 that would allow for the inclusion of volunteer formations within Rosgvardia.[31] Khinshtein stated that the bill would extend all previously established powers and mechanisms of the Russian MoD to Rosgvardia as Rosgvardia performs tasks in the war in Ukraine similar to those of the Russian MoD.[32] Khinshtein claimed that the Russian president will make decisions regarding Rosgvardia volunteer formations

The Kremlin is reportedly pushing propaganda narratives that highlight Russian artillery and aviation while downplaying the efforts of Russian forces conducting ground operations, likely in order to avoid discussion of Russian personnel losses and poor counterbattery capabilities. Russian opposition news outlet Meduza reported on September 21 that the Russian Presidential Administration distributed a manual on September 19 instructing Kremlin-affiliated media to highlight Ukrainian equipment and personnel losses and emphasize that Russian artillery fire and air strikes are effectively suppressing Ukrainian offensive actions.[37] ISW has routinely observed Russian units actively engaged in ground assaults, and the Russian information space has repeatedly complained about Russian forces’ poor counterbattery capabilities.[38]

The Kremlin is likely aiming to blame Armenian leadership and the West for Azerbaijan’s recent military operation into Nagorno-Karabakh. The Russian Presidential Administration’s manual also reportedly advised Kremlin-affiliated media to blame the West and Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan for recognizing Azerbaijani sovereignty over Nagorno-Karabakh.[39] The manual also advised state media to emphasize Russian peacekeepers’ role in “evacuating civilians.”[40] The Russian government is likely attempting to portray Pashinyan’s leadership poorly after a series of statements criticizing Armenia’s ties to Russia.


Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 10:57 pm to
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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian armored vehicles are operating beyond the final line of the Russian defensive layer that Ukrainian forces in western Zaporizhia Oblast are currently penetrating, although ISW is not yet prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have broken fully through this Russian defensive layer.

Russian forces currently defending in western Zaporizhia Oblast have been unable to prevent Ukrainian forces from making gradual but steady advances since mid-August.

Ukrainian forces conducted a series of drone and missile strikes targeting the Russian airfield near occupied Saky, Crimea, and may have damaged Russian aircraft.

Satellite imagery confirms that Ukrainian forces also struck the 744th Communications Center of the Command of the Black Sea Fleet in occupied Crimea on September 20 as part of an apparent Ukrainian effort to target Black Sea Fleet facilities.

Russian forces conducted a notably large series of missile strikes against Ukraine on the night of September 20 to 21, likely to correspond with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to the United States.

The Kremlin continues to seek to intensify divisions between Ukraine and its Central European partners following Russia’s withdrawal from the Black Sea Grain Initiative.

The Russian State Duma will reportedly propose a bill allowing the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) to include volunteer formations amid continued rumors about the Wagner Group operating alongside Rosgvardia.

The Kremlin is reportedly pushing propaganda narratives that highlight Russian artillery and aviation while downplaying the efforts of Russian forces conducting ground operations, likely in order to avoid discussion of Russian personnel losses and poor counterbattery capabilities.

The Kremlin is likely aiming to blame Armenian leadership and the West for Azerbaijan’s recent military operation into Nagorno-Karabakh.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast but did not advance.

Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:37 pm to
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Russian opposition news outlet Meduza reported on September 21 that the Russian Presidential Administration distributed a manual on September 19 instructing Kremlin-affiliated media to highlight Ukrainian equipment and personnel losses and emphasize that Russian artillery fire and air strikes are effectively suppressing Ukrainian offensive actions.


PB's new talking points are out
Posted by RyanMartin835
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Posted on 9/21/23 at 11:48 pm to

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2614 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 3:25 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
22 September 2023

Over the last four days, both Russia and Ukraine have experienced unusually intense attacks deep behind their lines. There have been reports of explosions at Russian logistics sites, air bases and command posts in Crimea, the Krasnodar region, and near Moscow.

It is highly likely that Russia's Black Sea Fleet has again been heavily targeted. However, the explosions at Chkalovsky Air Base, near Moscow, are likely to be of most strategic concern to Russian leaders. This is a sensitive location because it hosts specialist military aircraft as well as VIP transport for Russian leaders. Reported damage to a COOT special mission aircraft is particularly relevant: the exact variant involved is unclear, but these valuable assets undertake missions which include electronic intelligence collection.

Russia has launched long-range strikes at targets across Ukraine repeatedly over the last week. This unusual intensity is likely partially in response to the incidents in Russia and Crimea. With the ground battle relatively static, each side is seeking advantage by striking through their adversary's strategic depth.
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 4:03 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 4:53 am to
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Ukrainian armored vehicles are operating beyond the final line of the Russian defensive layer that Ukrainian forces in western Zaporizhia Oblast are currently penetrating,


Lots of people misinterpreting that bit online to claim that Ukraine is beyond the final layer of the Russian defense. That's obviously not what ISW is claiming.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 5:36 am to
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Russian opposition news outlet Meduza reported on September 21 that the Russian Presidential Administration distributed a manual on September 19 instructing Kremlin-affiliated media to highlight Ukrainian equipment and personnel losses and emphasize that Russian artillery fire and air strikes are effectively suppressing Ukrainian offensive actions.



Sounds like they’re just copying the Ukrainian media playbook.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:02 am to
Wow, 40?!?! Isn't it gonna take 319 to win the votes in both houses

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
2614 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:06 am to
Ukrainska Pravda in English
@pravda_eng

The so-called governor of Sevastopol reports a missile attack on the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in the city, information about the victims is being clarified



Video of the hit
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 6:08 am
Posted by beerJeep
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Member since Nov 2016
35156 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:30 am to
You realize a couple states have more members in the house than 34….

The most populated of which absolutely are voting the other way

And wooo hoooo 6/100 senators!
This post was edited on 9/22/23 at 6:31 am
Posted by bucknut
Lufkin, Texas
Member since Dec 2013
1812 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:42 am to
Hey fellow Ukraine sisters! Is Ukraine still going to make it to Tokmak by Halloween? After all according to our Ole Miss comrade they captured HILL 166! and can see everything within a 20 mile radius just from that 500ft hill. Plus our comrade said October is prime weather!
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35156 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 6:44 am to
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Hey fellow Ukraine sisters! Is Ukraine still going to make it to Tokmak by Halloween? After all according to our Ole Miss comrade they captured HILL 166! and can see everything within a 20 mile radius just from that 500ft hill. Plus our comrade said October is prime weather!


Only 1 week til Kiev falls!!!

Asking the norks for arty shells, nothing is wrong, everything is fine!

Stay away from windows in tall buildings comrades!
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3739 posts
Posted on 9/22/23 at 7:40 am to
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About 4 window lengths are collapsed on the west wing of the Black Sea Fleet Headquarters building. All windows are blown out. Fire is also seen pouring out the north entrance with the columns, indicating the northern third of the structure suffered siginifcant internal damage.

LINK

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Russian Ministry Of Defense says Black Sea Fleet HQ in Sevastopol "damaged"

LINK

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I found some evidence that Russia may be running low on replacment barrels for the 2S5 Giatsint-S. They have removed a lot of systems from three spots at the 94th Arsenal in Omsk and almost all of the remainig units have their barrels removed:

Here are images of the third spot.
In total they had 298 2S5 at this base before the war, but on images from May 2023 I found 155 of which only 4 systems still had their barrel attached.

I haven't seen any 2S1 or 2S3 with removed barrels yet so the barrel´situation could be much better for these systems.

LINK

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??Volodymyr Zelenskyy held talks with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

They discussed defense cooperation, the implementation of the "peace formula", as well as the signing of important bilateral documents that will strengthen the countries' economic ties.

Zelenskyy also met with the Governor General of Canada, spoke in parliament and talked with parliamentarians and the Canadian public.

LINK

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The russian mass media report that there was also a hit at the russian military trucks repair base in Crimea.

LINK

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Ukraine received the eighth tranche of macro-financial assistance from the EU in the amount of €1.5 billion.

This was announced by Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal.

LINK

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The energy terror stage of this heating season has already begun, –– Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said.

According to him, the russian federation has been striking our energy infrastructure for 2 weeks. He said that this heating season, this winter, will be no easier than the last.

LINK

From Rybar
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?????????? Another attack by the Ukrainian armed forces on Crimea

A couple of hours ago, Ukrainian formations again tried to strike military facilities in Crimea. First, at around 10.20 a Neptune anti-ship missile was fired from the Odessa region, which was shot down by units of the 31st Air Force and Air Defense Division over Belbek.

Then a MANPADS crew at the Kacha airfield shot down a UAV of an unspecified type. And just 10 minutes later, a Tekever AR3 UAV that came from the Kherson region was destroyed by a S-300 SAM system near Cape Tarkhankut.

??Two hours later, the attack resumed: four Su-24M bombers launched at least seven Storm Shadow cruise missiles. Two of them were shot down over Steregushchiy, and several more on the approach to Sevastopol.

At least one Storm Shadow hit the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet. There is no data on casualties and fatalities at the moment. And now the danger of repeated missile strikes remains.

LINK
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