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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/24/22 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 12:36 pm to
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Yeah. That’s not going to be near enough for a viable offensive on an entirely new front.


One thing is for sure, the US intelligence knows therefore Ukraine knows the exact amount of troops and materials being massed on the Belarus border. If there is a credible threat Ukraine will be aware of it in time to meet the threat if they are indeed capable of it.

My guess is this is a feint to draw troops to the north given the difficulty of the terrain for an offensive. I don't think Russia has the combat power to maintain its defense in the south and come from the north as well. They might be dumb enough to sacrifice some of the south to try to cut off the head though. I also don't think Russia is dumb enough to rely on the Belarussian military to be of much help. I don't think Lukashenko wants to be left naked with most of his military plunging into the swamps on the border.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 12:42 pm to
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When the USSR broke up in 89/90 NATO should have dissolved. Had it done so we wouldn’t have this conflict happening today.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 1:01 pm to
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I also don't think Russia is dumb enough to rely on the Belarussian military to be of much help. I don't think Lukashenko wants to be left naked with most of his military plunging into the swamps on the border.


The Belarussian military was in pathetic condition at the start of the war. Now, though, Belarus has already given Russia a lot of tanks and much of its ammo. An already-weak military has been gutted.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 1:15 pm to
Interesting note from this Washington Post story on South Korea's expanding military export industry:

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A senior U.S. defense official said the structure of the American ammunition deal — the United States is already shipping the Ukrainians thousands of rounds of artillery shells every month — helps Seoul deal with both internal politics and diplomatic relations.

“It’s extraordinarily touchy for the South Koreans to donate ammo to Ukraine,” the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.



This would mean that our purchases of South Korean 155mm shells are for our own stocks. In other words, those Korean shells enabled us to send some of our 155mm shells to Ukraine and keep our inventory the same, but we aren't going to be able to continue to buy unlimited Korean shells and sell them to Ukraine.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 2:17 pm to
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Why didn’t NATO dissolve? Ask Eisenhower about the military/industrial complex that runs our country.


You obviously don't know anything other than the said military industrial complex. Context matters a lot.
Posted by arkiebrian
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 2:20 pm to
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You obviously don't know anything other than the said military industrial complex. Context matters a lot.

The military/industrial complex loves war profits. Wrapping yourself in the flag allows them to get away with it.
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 3:09 pm to
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Wrapping yourself in the flag allows them to get away with it.



Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 3:39 pm to
Hmm: LINK

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In November 2022, US CBP encountered 5507 Russian migrants (a 110% increase, second highest increase) along the US-Mexico border. They are now within the top 10 nationalities attempting to enter the US through Mexico.
Posted by Highthoughts
Member since Sep 2022
313 posts
Posted on 12/24/22 at 3:43 pm to
Can we use seized assets to….

BUILD THE WALL?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36344 posts
Posted on 12/24/22 at 4:45 pm to
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Can we use seized assets to…. BUILD THE WALL?


You need to understand this, the wall isn’t being built because of a lack of funds. The Dems do not want a wall.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18031 posts
Posted on 12/24/22 at 4:47 pm to
From @DefMon3, who has proven to be one of the war's most reliable OSINT analysts:

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The AFU have cleared or almost cleared Optyne according to a video I geolocated earlier today.


He notes that he does not want to share the video right now, as it reveals current Ukrainian positions.

Here's the map of Bakhmut from @War_Mapper that he posted four hours ago:



You can see that the town of Optyne is a small southern suburb of Bakhmut. Russia completely took the town on November 20th.

In the last week or so, Ukraine has pushed Russia out, which is similar to what's happened in the area east and northeast of Bakhmut. It was just on Thursday that Ukraine pushed Russia out of the eastern residential suburbs of Bakhmut and back into the industrial area.

For the first time since the Battle of Bakhmut began, I am confident that Ukraine has the advantage and is taking the initiative.

What has changed? The obvious answer is the "monstrous shell hunger" that Murz reported. I've now seen a couple of other reports from Ukrainian sources indicating that Russia's artillery bombardment has lessened recently.

It's too soon to be overconfident. Perhaps a big new batch of shells will arrive for Russian troops from North Korea or something. Maybe the problem is simply related to short-term logistics issues. But Occam's Razor says that Russia is quickly running out of artillery shells.
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 5:42 pm to
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But Occam's Razor says that Russia is quickly running out of artillery shells.

We all seen a lot of online chatter about both sides running out of munitions. One has to assume that the military industrial complex of the West will outproduce that of Russia and its nefarious allies. Just my opinion.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 6:23 pm to
OK, so this is a fascinating story. Many of the "smoking accidents" that have been happening inside Russia are reportedly the work of CIA-run teams. These teams are set up with agents of a European ally, so that the CIA has plausible deniability (no actual American agents are inside Russia as a part of this).

LINK

Any article such as this would have to rely on anonymous sources, so of course, people can say that this article is made up, but Jack Murphy is former Green Beret-turned-journalist, and he's obviously putting his reputation on the line with this.

My guess is that the European ally he refers to in the article is Poland, but that's just a guess.
This post was edited on 12/24/22 at 7:18 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 6:29 pm to
Apologies if this has already been posted...

TARGET RUSSIA’S CAPABILITY, NOT ITS INTENT
Dec 20, 2022 - Press ISW

US policy should recognize that the Kremlin’s intent regarding Ukraine is maximalist, inflexible, and will not change in the foreseeable future. The West should stop expending resources trying to change a reality it does not control and focus on what it can shape plenty: denying Russia’s ability to wage a war against Ukraine.

Negotiations, ceasefires, and peace deals are not off-ramps but rather on-ramps for the Kremlin to renew its attack on Ukraine in the future under conditions that advantage Russia. They are means to the same ends—full control of Ukraine and eradication of Ukraine’s statehood and identity.

Institute For The Study of War
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25948 posts
Posted on 12/24/22 at 6:43 pm to
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In the last week or so, Ukraine has pushed Russia out, which is similar to what's happened in the area east and northeast of Bakhmut.


The northeast was where they were pushing yesterday. The Ukes liberated the area I marked in red 24 hours ago which is getting near the E40 road and starting to wrap around the Russian positions noted on the map which are the last Russian positions in Bakmut proper. It is an sparsely populated industrial area and it looks like the Russian stronghold is around a drywall plant. If they can root them out of there they should be able to take all of Bakmut.

Posted by HonorThyWarEagle
#Auburn2FinalFour
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 6:53 pm to
Is Opytne fully in Ukrainian control or does it still have a Russian presence?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18031 posts
Posted on 12/24/22 at 6:59 pm to
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Is Opytne fully in Ukrainian control or does it still have a Russian presence?



I don't think that's clear yet. Someone else, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28073 posts
Posted on 12/24/22 at 7:14 pm to
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Poland
and Russians. There are Russians that hate this war. There is a lineup of nations and nationals that love to smoke around critical infrastructure.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3219 posts
Posted on 12/24/22 at 7:34 pm to
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I don’t even know the size of this force. Is it a division? A Corps? An entire tank army? Who knows?


My guess would be that our satellite intelligence (and other sources) has a pretty good handle on this... Which ( and again I am guessing...) would provide some explanation of why the Ukes don't seem to be too worried about it...

ETA:
Just saw the following Post ...

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OBTUSE1: One thing is for sure, the US intelligence knows therefore Ukraine knows the exact amount of troops and materials being massed on the Belarus border. If there is a credible threat Ukraine will be aware of it in time to meet the threat if they are indeed capable of it.



This post was edited on 12/24/22 at 7:49 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 7:47 pm to
Finland has a good intelligence presence in Russia as well. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania likely also have presence.
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