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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:08 am to
Posted by MNCTigah
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:08 am to
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Absurd how glib you are about Ukraine surrendering the 3rd largest nuclear stockpile in the world. Are you suggesting that it was no big deal what Ukraine did?


Glib? Surely not.

Only providing some additional context because it's often presented that Ukraine gave up its nuclear stockpile which leads to the presumption that the arsenal was in a ready and usable state. The backstory (as referenced in the cited article) is much more complicated. There was the long standing U.S. position of non-proliferation which applied to Belarus and Kazakhstan as well. For the inheritors of the stockpile, there was also the lack of nuclear infrastructure and impending financial difficulties to be incurred when dealing with nuclear weapons approaching the end of their service life.

I personally am of the opinion that Ukraine should have bartered for more. The U.S. paid 17 billion for the HEU (highly enriched uranium) and was a signatory to a murky Budapest Memorandum.

Extrapolating a bit further... The U.S. spent untold billions trying to dissuade North Korea and Iran from proliferating. The current military aid that we are providing to Ukraine is a pittance in comparison.

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Stop hijacking the thread rehashing this nonsense.


I simply injected factual nuances into the conversation. That offends your sensibilities?
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:14 am to
I thought your post was fine.

Solid commentary.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:19 am to
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I saw one of those at the circus!


Considering that Russian strategy and tactics are a clown show, it is fitting
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:24 am to
Rybar on Kherson Area (goes with the map someone posted above)
https://t.me/rybar/39683

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???????? Battle for Kherson: the situation in the Berislav sector
as of 15.00 October 3, 2022

Ukrainian formations resumed an active offensive against the village of Dudchany along the right bank of the Dnieper. If successful, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to continue moving to Mylovoe or try to reach the flank of the RF Armed Forces in the Krivoy Rog sector.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine with the forces of 128th brigade, 17th brigade and 60th brigade managed to gain a foothold at the line of Lyubomirovka - Belyaevka - Novoaleksandrovka by this hour and equip advanced command posts.

??After the arrival of additional reserves in the Novoaleksandrovka area, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began an assault on Russian positions in the Dudchan area.

??At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning to launch an attack on Novodmitrovka from the vicinity of Arkhangelskoye and on Novovoskresenskoye from Belyaevka.

??Russian artillery, MLRS and aircraft are firing at the advancing enemy.

Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8143 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:27 am to
The road between Borova and Svatove looks pretty flat without significant structures along the route, so I’m sure that the UA will be on the outskirts of Svatove relatively quickly. It’s only like 50 km.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:29 am to
not the tsar cannon!
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:30 am to
Via Rybar, Russian Ministry of Defense update:

https://t.me/rybar/39680

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Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine
as of October 3, 2022

??The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue a special military operation.

??More than 140 military personnel and 19 units of special military equipment were destroyed by missile strikes on the areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment in the Kupyansky direction in the area of ????the settlements of KUPYANSK, DVORECHNAYA and KURILOVKA of the Kharkiv region. The total losses of the enemy in the Kupyansk direction for three days of hostilities amounted to more than 500 military personnel and about 60 pieces of military equipment.

Massive fire damage was inflicted on enemy reserves, as well as units of the 66th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the Krasnolimansky direction in the SLAVYANSK region. During the day, up to 100 military personnel, six armored vehicles and two Grad MLRS combat vehicles were destroyed. The total losses of units of the 66th and 93rd mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in this direction for three days of hostilities amounted to more than 900 Ukrainian servicemen.

??More than 260 militants and 14 units of military equipment were destroyed in the Artyomovsky direction near the village of KALINOVKA as a result of a missile attack on the areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment of the 10th mountain assault brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

??In the Donetsk direction, over 100 Ukrainian servicemen of the 21st battalion of the 56th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed as a result of repelling an enemy offensive attempt by the allied forces in the area of ??the settlement PERVOMAISKOE.

??On the Nikolaevsky and Andreevsky tactical directions, all attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were successfully repelled. As a result of the strike of the Russian Aerospace Forces on units of the 24th mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ??\u200b\u200bthe settlement DAVYDOV BROD, Kherson region, up to 60 militants and seven pieces of military equipment were destroyed.

??With superior tank units in the direction of ZOLOTAYA BALKA, ALEKSANDROVKA, the enemy managed to wedge into the depths of our defense. Subdivisions of the Russian troops have occupied a pre-prepared defensive line and continue to inflict massive fire damage on the enemy. The loss of Ukrainian militants in the area amounted to about 130 personnel and 23 units of military equipment.

??In the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction, Russian troops continued to conduct military operations to repel the enemy offensive.

??The strikes of operational-tactical and army aviation, missile forces and artillery defeated 47 artillery units in firing positions, as well as enemy manpower and military equipment in 146 districts.

??Five depots of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition were destroyed in the areas of the settlements of KRAMATORSK, ARTYOMOVSK, EXPERIMENTAL, YAMPOL of the Donetsk People's Republic and DOBRYANKA, Kherson region.

??A radar station of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed in the area of ??the settlement NIKIFOROVKA in the Donetsk People's Republic of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

??In the course of the counter-battery fight, three Ukrainian batteries of the Grad MLRS were hit in the areas of the settlements of TsVETKOVE, SVYATOPETROVKA and YABLOKOVO in the Zaporizhia region during the day.

??Three unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down by means of air defense in the areas of the settlements of VALERYANOVKA of the Donetsk People's Republic, KUPYANSK of the Kharkiv region and BOROZENSKOE of the Kherson region.

??In addition, 15 shells of the American HIMARS multiple launch rocket system were destroyed in the air in the areas of the settlements of NOVAYA KAKHOVKA, VESELOYE and NOVAYA ZBURYEVKA in the Kherson region.

??In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 310 aircraft, 155 helicopters, 2137 unmanned aerial vehicles, 378 anti-aircraft missile systems, 5292 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 860 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3444 field artillery guns and mortars, and also 6189 units of special military vehicles.

Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
1527 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:32 am to
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Seems that Russians have moved to try to stop the pincer movement from the west and allowed Ukr to come to 5 km from the dam.

"It seems that the Russians are withdrawing from a number of settlements in the north of Beryslav district without a fight in order to reinforce more of the frontline villages"

If accurate, and the UA is moving into possession of Beryslav, then they have advanced 70km since yesterday and are now within 40km of the bridges at Nova Kakhovka.

Def Mon doesn't believe it but Dmitri and Telenko have reported it as well. Telenko opines a heliborne assault, which may be a reach. All in all, should be an interesting day.

Stay tuned campers.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:37 am to
This is an interesting post and video from Rybar discussing how the Ukrainians are using modern technologies to counter Russian Artillery. Notice the large monitor being used to monitor the battlefield.

https://t.me/rybar/39679

Link to video via twitter: https://twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1576925874066436096


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???????? About the effective counter-battery fight by the Armed Forces of Ukraine

We will slightly supplement our post about GIS systems and lists of targets for fire damage used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It was only about receiving coordinates from the satellite in real time. To calculate the actual timing for updating satellites is already a direct engineering task, in the current conditions it is extremely difficult to implement.

But this is not necessary to achieve the goal.

??How does satellite reading work?

The enemy's satellite constellation certainly provides intelligence to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And this information forms the base layer on the maps of the GIS system. Partial automation of satellite data processing with technology pattern recognition cannot be ruled out.

But in any case, there are several nuances:


??adding data from the image recognition system from images to the GIS database is carried out by operators (is a potato harvester very different from a howitzer or a car with firewood from a MLRS on a satellite image?);

?? US reconnaissance satellites, like all satellites, conduct strip photography (for example, 20x10 km with a resolution of 0.3 m), simultaneous shooting of the entire theater is not carried out, shooting in rain or through clouds is not carried out, night infrared shooting is uninformative.

??Updating a layer with satellite data entails a time delay of about an hour (at best). And this is without taking into account weather factors. Space reconnaissance means do not provide "real-time monitoring of the front."

But to control the movement of your equipment (remember the posts of Alexander Kots and Daniil Bezsonov about beacons) is extremely simple. Moreover, since 2015, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been armed with the American AN / TPQ-36 counter-battery radar, as well as dozens of other versions of AN / TPQ-36, 37, 50 and so on, which are also tied to the air defense system.

And here they are, yes, they work - moreover, efficiently and quickly.

??How does it work?

As soon as the launch is carried out by the RF Armed Forces, data is received on the tablet of the APU flight commander. He monitors the launch area in real time, sees the beacons of his own equipment, sees which guns are closest to the target.

And through the same tablet, the flight commander gives the command. Communication is provided through Starlink complexes.

This scheme presumably includes the American HIMARS MLRS and M777 howitzers, to which the United States could easily transfer special control and communication systems. Return fire comes in up to 5 minutes, which is impossible when pointing manually with the available accuracy.

??What is the result?

Initial data always comes from military satellites every few hours: they allow you to determine the main areas of work. After that, UAVs and counter-battery radars come into play, which know exactly where to work.

The allegedly real-time data feed is ensured by the integration of all components into the GIS system, including through NATO communication tools. All this takes time.

This is not an online update every 30 seconds. But in fact, this is not required.

A video about TV, beautiful, yes. Why should the layman know the nuances?

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24005 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:37 am to
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Report of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation on the territory of Ukraine as of October 3, 2022


If that report was truthful, it should be the Ukrainians in full retreat with the Russians advancing freely.

The capacity of Russians to lie to themselves is limitless.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
1527 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:40 am to
Ah, wait. I jumped the gun it seems. The Beryslav in the reports seem to refer to the Beryslav Raion, which is the entire eastern district of the Kherson Oblast. Which makes more sense.

At times like these we should remember the immortal words of Gilda Radner: "Nevermind...".
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26166 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:41 am to
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I saw one of those at the circus!


Maybe because Russia can't fly paratroopers in to reinforce areas without getting shot down they plan to just shoot them in.

Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:44 am to
A video of some Americans and other forgien legion fighters taking out a target and taunting (at distance) the Russians.

Video at link
https://twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1576842287073890304
quote:

Footage from the other side, from foreign contractors.

A must-see for those who still doubt that the entire combined West is at war against us. We should also note that the only thing the Hohols taught the foreigners was to swear in Russian. Such cultural exchange.
Posted by Coach Buzzcut
Member since Feb 2016
1363 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:44 am to
Photoshopped but still hilarious. Why isn’t there more action on the melitopol front? Couldn’t the UAF cut the Kherson forces and Donbas forces in two?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35313 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:45 am to
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We will slightly supplement our post about GIS systems


Geographic information system systems?

quote:

taught the foreigners was to swear in Russian. Such cultural exchange.

I mean, the only Russian and Indian words I know are curse words
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 8:47 am
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:46 am to
I post it for comic relief
quote:

The capacity of Russians to lie to themselves is limitless.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18152 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:47 am to
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The road between Borova and Svatove looks pretty flat without significant structures along the route, so I’m sure that the UA will be on the outskirts of Svatove relatively quickly. It’s only like 50 km.



I'm really curious whether Ukraine will take Svatove or Kreminna first. Both are important: Svatove because it opens the door to Staorbilsk and the collapse of all Russian forces in northern Luhansk, and Kreminna because it opens up Severodonetsk and Lysychansk.
Posted by joemuggs
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
609 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:49 am to
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All in all, should be an interesting da


Ukraine Kicking DAT arse all weekend long to the point their foot must be soar.

Do you guys think, if this keeps up this week, there's a point where the whole Russian army melts down more generally not just in local area's? The overall stress must be mounting.

Some of the Twitterati covering the war that are pro-Ukraine seem to be hinting the is another major offensive or another prong to this offensive to come soon.

Slava Ukriani
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 8:55 am
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:51 am to
Of course, it's photoshopped. I thought that was self evident.

Regarding Melitopol, I have to assume the Ukrainians are focused on areas where they are already rolling the Russians back (Donbas and Kherson). I don't know if they have the ability to launch a 3rd simultaneous offensive. They may be holding the combat power they've built in the Melitopol area in case they need it elsewhere.

OR they could be getting ready to drop the hammer and attack Meltipol...they are just waiting for the right moment, this is what I "Hope" happens.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6898 posts
Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:56 am to
Girkin on the area of Svatove

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576894035306090496
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Even Girkin is getting nervous re. Oskil and Svatove. Admits Russians will only be able to defend for weeks and there's no guarantee anything will change later.



Map of where he's talking about, this is north of Lyman on the eastern front.
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