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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:34 pm to
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In my mind they were unified Germany prior, obviously had the brutal separation, they’ve been reintegrated, at least officially, for 30 years now, so I’d think generally a re-normalization would be well progressed and the East Germans would understand the calculus very much like the Poles and Baltics.


Well, this is where their tradition of Ostpolitik comes into play. Because West and East Germany was a possible front in any larger war between the US and the USSR, West German leaders sought a policy of outright rapprochement with East Germany after 1970. That led to normalization of relations between West and East, and thus has a positive legacy in Germany. That policy approach informed Merkel's approach to Russia, which was called Wandel durch Handel, or 'change through trade.' There is also a very complicated history between Germany and the Russians with regard to WWII. There is a fantastic Foreign Policy article about this if you have a subscription titled something like 'Germany has confronted its past' that delves into this further.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6888 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:52 pm to
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575179570524827649
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??BREAKING: AP says US will give Ukraine 18 more HIMARS.

The Associated Press reported that the new U.S. $1.1 billion military aid package will include 18 HIMARS and other weapons "to counter drones that Russia has been using against Ukrainian troops."

Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9915 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
849 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:02 pm to
Ivan is about to have a bad few months.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11870 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:06 pm to
With the weather changing. Shoot’n’scoot will be a big component. And with winter coming having stockpiled supplies is critical
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6888 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:12 pm to
From the Wagner PMC Telegram channel discussing the video of the mobilized guy saying they aren't getting any training. Wagner confirms this is true.

https://t.me/grey_zone/15175

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To send people to war untrained is to betray them.

Many have already seen the video, and many channels have checked its authenticity, for the fact that with those mobilized in the 1st Guards Tank Regiment of the 2nd Motorized Rifle Division, they do not conduct any military training before being sent to war.

Also, readers tell me in feedback, where they ask me to raise a similar topic from Volgograd, namely from the Prudboy training ground.

The mobilized are sitting there in tents for the third day. The military doesn't teach them anything. Absolutely nothing. No classes are held. The situation is the same as in many other training centers.

Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4440 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:18 pm to
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I'm shocked that many people voted no when military showed up at their door to tell them how to vote.
I'd be amazed if any individuals at all cast any votes at all. From the Russian point of view, why waste energy pretending to collect votes?
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6888 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:18 pm to
Video of a Russian soldier assaulting a Ukrainian position and the Ukrainian's response.

From the Wagner Telegram Channel.
https://t.me/grey_zone/15188
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Enough epic footage from @milchronicles where a soldier of the 11th regiment of the NM of the DPR, apparently, advanced to suppress the enemy’s firing point, which used sewer structures for conditional casemates.

And provided that our side is conducting reconnaissance from a quadrocopter, apparently the DPR fighter, for some reason, did not have contact with those who could tell him the nature of the target’s defeat, because before trying to jump into positions, a mortar was struck, but not quite exactly.

The Russian fighter, not observing the enemy, threw the RGD under his feet to be sure, and inflicted light wounds on him, which did not prevent him from reeling under the cover of the second deuce. After that, the DPR serviceman made an attempt to enter the positions, but while waiting for the enemy to the left, he met the second deuce from the right. After the enemy opened fire, he was able to successfully retreat. Actually, the Ukrainian side also made the same decision, since, apparently, it could not imagine that only one fighter was carrying out such confident actions on the other side.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5850 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:19 pm to
I’ve been saying for a couple weeks now this was only a matter of time and frankly long overdue. Look what they have done with just 16 HIMARS. Now they can double their coverage. It’s going to be a long Rasputitsa for all those new “soldiers” Russia is sending. Hopefully they come with a few ATACMS as well.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6888 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:21 pm to
Russian Telegram channel discussing the new HIMARS
https://t.me/milinfolive/91097

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Enough epic footage from @milchronicles where a soldier of the 11th regiment of the NM of the DPR, apparently, advanced to suppress the enemy’s firing point, which used sewer structures for conditional casemates.

And provided that our side is conducting reconnaissance from a quadrocopter, apparently the DPR fighter, for some reason, did not have contact with those who could tell him the nature of the target’s defeat, because before trying to jump into positions, a mortar was struck, but not quite exactly.

The Russian fighter, not observing the enemy, threw the RGD under his feet to be sure, and inflicted light wounds on him, which did not prevent him from reeling under the cover of the second deuce. After that, the DPR serviceman made an attempt to enter the positions, but while waiting for the enemy to the left, he met the second deuce from the right. After the enemy opened fire, he was able to successfully retreat. Actually, the Ukrainian side also made the same decision, since, apparently, it could not imagine that only one fighter was carrying out such confident actions on the other side.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5850 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:30 pm to
By the end of this the world is going to relate HIMARS to Russians like Godzilla to the Japanese
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6888 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:31 pm to
https://twitter.com/ukraine_map/status/1575187740899315713
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USA ???? will provide Ukraine ???? with 14 Titan Bluehalo Counter-UAS/ Counter Drone Systems

In August The Pentagon awarded security tech company BlueHalo a $24 million contract to provide Titan counter-drone systems for quick deployment and effective protection of troops and assets



More info on these systems here
https://t.co/KSHY7uC2ef
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6888 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:36 pm to
https://twitter.com/krides/status/1574468055710588928
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The sausage fest on the Georgian border is getting out of control.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18092 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:49 pm to
For clarity: the US announcement said that this was for Ukraine's medium to long term needs.

These 18 new HIMARS are not coming from current US stock. They will come straight from the factory as they are made, which means that delivery of all of them could take some time.

Edit: from the Defense Department press release:

quote:

Unlike Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA), which DoD has continued to leverage to deliver equipment to Ukraine from DoD stocks at a historic pace, USAI is an authority under which the United States procures capabilities from industry. This announcement represents the beginning of a contracting process to provide additional priority capabilities to Ukraine in the mid- and long-term.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 3:12 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5850 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:53 pm to
I’d be sending as many Humvees, MRAPs, Land Cruisers or any other 4x4 wheeled vehicle that the Ukrainians can mount a heavy machine gun, grenade launcher or anti-tank missile system to. They do very well at the light and fast attack and Russia doesn’t seem to really have much of a counter to it either. They do not do well thinking on their feet that’s for sure and the Ukrainians have mastered it because they had no other choice but to make do with what they had. Eventually of course they are going to need more conventional artillery and armor but wheeled vehicles are something that can be sent quickly and put into action until they can find more heavy weapons. Poland also just needs to come off those 23 Mig-29s they are holding and send them over as well.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 2:03 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5850 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:55 pm to
If I’m it mistaken the factory in Arkansas where the HIMARS are made is upping their production a good bit so it might not be as long as you might think.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6888 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 1:58 pm to
That would be Camden Arkansas, my hometown.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5850 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:09 pm to
There is a significant demand for these systems from other militaries now that the world has seen what they can do to a power like Russia and in such small numbers that I wouldn’t be shocked to see additional plants open that can produce them. I know the missiles themselves are really the most intricate thing to produce as the launcher and truck are not very high tech so i imagine they can produce these systems at a pretty good rate. Plus we all know defense contractors love to make a buck and right now HIMARS is a cash cow. Even if we gave 18 from our existing stocks it’s still a drop in the bucket to what we have.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40233 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:12 pm to
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With the weather changing. Shoot’n’scoot will be a big component. And with winter coming having vodka stockpiled supplies is critical


FIFY

Both the Ukrainians and the Russians will needs lots of liquid heat to survive the winter.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36480 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:12 pm to
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I’d be sending as many Humvees, MRAPs, Land Cruisers or any other 4x4 wheeled vehicle that the Ukrainians can mount a heavy machine gun, grenade launcher or anti-tank missile system to.


We should combine Obama's 'Cash for Clunkers' with a 'gun buyback' program except for the metric shiton of Toyota Hiluxes (Hili? Hilex? What the frick is the plural of Hilux?) in the Middle East. They already have the mounts and those areas need the money.

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