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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:25 pm to CitizenK
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:25 pm to CitizenK
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A large chunk was deployment of troops and equipment in Poland when Russia started threatening nukes. Ukraine has gotten very little of the money ALLOCATED (but not yet spent) It has been doled out a spoonful at a time.
Whatever is spent, we know that it will total no more than 90% of what was dedicated.
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Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:28 pm to jimmy the leg
France is as corrupt as Ukraine. Russia is way more corrupt than Ukraine.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:30 pm to vilma4prez
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You think they trust China to cover that side of the country if all out war starts?
The danger would be from Japan, as they already have a long-standing dispute with Russia over the Kuril Islands. I'm not sure what China would have to gain by an invasion that they direct foreign investment couldn't provide in Russia though.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:30 pm to crazy4lsu
Thank you.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:35 pm to Chromdome35
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China's economy is much more linked to ours than it is to Russia's. Any Chinese decision-making will have that at the top of their list of factors to consider.
While the above is true, China has “diversified” by GREATLY expanding their influence globally (Belt and Road etc.). Additionally, with China’s “ban” on Australian coal, Russia is their go to right now. The new Aussie government is hard left...so I assume that they will be slobbing Xi pretty soon (like yesterday). If their coal starts rolling in, then Russia loses some influence with China.
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Would they go so far as to invade Russia, no I don't think they will do that? They really don't have to do much but sit there. In a full-blown war, NATO doesn't need to cross Chinese territory to do anything. That gives China a clear path to staying neutral, which is what I think they will do.
I believe that China would wait until we are stepping on our dicks with Russia, and then they would invade Taiwan.
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They need some time to incorporate the lessons learned into their military...once that happens, who knows.
They have known every detail about our weapons for quite some time. From a strategic standpoint, you are likely correct though.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:35 pm to Chromdome35
Meanwhile China and India filled up their storage with heavily discounted Russian crude oil, now the price is dropping. China also signed a big deal with Russia for natural gas, but that pipeline won't be ready for 3 more years. It is said to be 50% discount, but of what, the main indexes are Henry Hub, TTF (the Netherlands) and JKM (Japan/Korea). I don't care if China pays in fishheads, half price means Russia has big issues in future cash flow.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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The danger would be from Japan, as they already have a long-standing dispute with Russia over the Kuril Islands.
While this is true, Japan has both eyes in one direction only...towards China.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:39 pm to CitizenK
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France is as corrupt as Ukraine. Russia is way more corrupt than Ukraine.
That doesn’t negate my point.
Ukraine is a pit of corruption. There is no doubt in my mind that money is being siphoned off at a prodigious rate. Somewhere, somehow, the skim is in effect, and there are some people making BANK as a result (and I don’t mean ethically).
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:40 pm to Chromdome35
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Russia is clearly the aggressor here...denying that is like denying the earth is round.
Oh please don't open up that can of worms with those nutjobs.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:05 pm to jimmy the leg
I’m generally curious what everyone thinks….
- Are wars of occupation ever successful?
- if yes, what would it take for a war of occupation to be successful?
- if the answer isn’t murder everyone who opposes you, what else can be done?
This isn’t necessarily about Russo/Ukrainian War… just war in general.
- Are wars of occupation ever successful?
- if yes, what would it take for a war of occupation to be successful?
- if the answer isn’t murder everyone who opposes you, what else can be done?
This isn’t necessarily about Russo/Ukrainian War… just war in general.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:15 pm to lowspark12
Russia occupied Ukraine for several centuries before Ukraine became independent.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:16 pm to jimmy the leg
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Ukraine is a pit of corruption.
I'm curious, is this corruption still going on as they fight for their national life? I mean if Russia could have executed better early on then they would own the country. Are the corrupticrats still corrupting while Ukraine slugs it out with Russia?
Now what I really think is calling Ukraine corrupt now is just meaningless clap trap as unimaginative in thinking as one can be.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:18 pm to CitizenK
You’re an ignorant moron.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:20 pm to lowspark12
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Are wars of occupation ever successful?
There have been imperial wars of occupation that have lasted for centuries. The major European countries all have their former colonies. But in the modern post-20th century world, it seems a complete fantasy to believe that one country could invade another moderately sized and developed country and occupy it for more than a couple of years.
Yet despite the reality of the modern world, Russia thinks it can take over and occupy any other country. They are actually pretty good at it. They install puppet governments, like in Georgia and Belarus, but even in those places where they have had success, the grip on power is precarious.
Your question is good. It also exposes what appears to be the fact, that Russia is living in layers of self-delusion that prevents their leadership, media and population from operating in reality. That un-reality will doom them to make more mistakes.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:20 pm to lowspark12
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I’m generally curious what everyone thinks…. - Are wars of occupation ever successful? - if yes, what would it take for a war of occupation to be successful? - if the answer isn’t murder everyone who opposes you, what else can be done? This isn’t necessarily about Russo/Ukrainian War… just war in general.
I think it depends on how you define successful. A war of occupation in which one distinct people/culture occupies another will end in strife, almost without exception. If you don’t care about the people and simply want the resources, geographic location, ports, etc, then that’s an acceptable price to pay.
If you’re actually trying to assimilate the population? Good fricking luck.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:20 pm to alpinetiger
Interesting Twitter thread that echos what many of us have been saying since the first few pages of the thread:
Twitter
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:21 pm to Obtuse1
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Interesting Twitter thread that echos what many of us have been saying since the first few pages of the thread:
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:21 pm to MorgusTheMagnificent
Bingo??? Why does that matter? Lots of countries used to be part of other countries. That doesn’t give the former owner the right to invade them. Do you think it does? Does Britain have the right to invade India because India used to belong to Britian?
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:22 pm to alpinetiger
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You’re an ignorant moron.
Ok, first what is a moron? And then how much worse is it to be an ignorant moron? Can an ignorant moron even type in words on a message board? I don't think so. And using this as an insult is sophomoric.
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