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re: 2/3 of teachers surveyed in Texas considering going peace out

Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40181 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:09 pm to
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The last two years have shown us all that teachers value education least of all. There are still some walking out to protest having to work full time again.


So because what some teachers do in Chicago and a few other select cities it means all teachers think this way? Gtfoh.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
51032 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:27 pm to
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So because what some teachers do in Chicago and a few other select cities it means all teachers think this way? Gtfoh.


I'm sorry if you were misled to think this is only a few teachers in "Chicago and a few other select cities." Unfortunately, that simply is not the case.

Teachers all over the country supported lockdowns and forced making of our students. Not a single one of the ones who did not stand up to that tyranny deserves a raise, and those are the large majority.
This post was edited on 2/13/22 at 2:28 pm
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119702 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:48 pm to
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The last two years have shown us all that teachers value education least of all. There are still some walking out to protest having to work full time again.



Let's not confuse the Chicago teachers Union with the other 99.999999999% of the country.
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
6627 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 2:58 pm to
Read some good points on public school teachers today here on TD.

What I did not see was the 900 lb. gorilla in the room being addressed.
And that is student reading comprehension and the lack of .

I taught American/ Louisiana History for 22 years in the hood schools of BR.
During that time I saw first hand reading comprehension dropping off year after year. The final 6 years I was teaching I taught in a high school near Florida Blvd. and I spent most of the lesson just on basic vocabulary.

I reported to work at 6:30 AM each day ( we had students at school as early as 6AM because their parents had to be at work) and I rarely left before 4:30 PM.

The other main problem was discipline (the lack of). With the obama regime no students could be suspended from school unless it was something serious such as murder. Instead the trouble makers were sent to the "time out" room. Many would slip out and just roam the school, causing more chaos. One year 6 teachers left because of the violence in the school. We would have hallway fights 2 and 3 times a day (the kids would schedule their fights on facebook). Lots of blood on the hallway floors, kids heads shoved through the sheetrock, broken jaws. I've pulled kids off the backs of sheriff deputies. Not a thing was done to address the problems with discipline. The next year I left too. My doctor said I would live longer if I did.

Now I work in engineering and each day is like a vacation. I have only taken one day off (Mom's funeral) in the last 7 years.

Yes teaching can be enjoyable, if you are in the right school. Not some much in the inner city schools. I've met new teachers that have taken the PRAXIS test 6 times and could not pronounce the word "Potomac" correctly. I have had new administrators who replaced the previous ones who had received their advanced degrees from sketchy "universities" who were not qualified to run the french fry station at at fast food joint.

Charter schools are popping up around BR like Dollar Generals and I worry if quality educations are taking place there. EBR magnet and private schools seem to be doing well.
IMO I believe that our public education system requires a catastrophic rebuilding because a majority of children are not getting a quality education.
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:06 pm to
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IMO I believe that our parenting standards and accountability requires a catastrophic rebuilding because a majority of children are not getting a quality education.


FIFY
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
25560 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:28 pm to
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Most don't have skills that translate to much in private sector.


As previously stated, I’ve had many friends quit the profession and jump into the private sector with no issue. You are assuming the only skills someone has are related to their job.

I could go into the private sector and find some low level folks who would be great teachers, and some upper management folks who would suck at it. The skills one obtains in college are not necessarily about teaching in general, moreso the subject matter with which you teach. Teaching itself is about managing people, building relationships, motivating, organizing, etc. Think about how those skills pertain to other jobs.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
25560 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:29 pm to
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But most teachers get off at what? 2 or 3:15?


What school district dismisses kids at 2? Where can I apply?
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
25560 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:33 pm to
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If they could do something else, they would. They aren’t conscripted into their profession. They choose it. STFU and do the fricking job you asked for or quit. But quit pissing and
Moaning



Ok

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If these people had any higher level of skill than “babysitter”, they’d be in a job that pays accordingly. So they are either there because they’ve maxed out professionally or they like the job. Again it’s either by choice or it’s the best they can do. Just like the min wage worker at Popeyes. So quit asking for more money than your worth or go find a job that pays you what you’re worth.

And spare me about how they’re all gonna quit. They won’t. Most couldn’t handle a different job or they’d be doing it.


Sounds like a bunch of pissing and moaning. For your kid’s sake, I hope they’re home schooled.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34754 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:56 pm to
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Great. I get to work at 7:30. I get off at 6 for regular days. Sometimes later. The fact that "after 4" seems late to you proves my point and shows how uninformed you are.


You have a point...excluding coaching and auxiliary squads.

In season, 15 hour days are the norm (18 hours if you have an academic course load).

Depending on the sport, that includes Saturdays.

In short, with a coach that has an academic course load, you can hit a 100+ hour work week, with a 80+ hour work week being an “easy” week. Again, this can be months on end. The worst part (besides being attacked by packs of middle schoolers) is that the pay is peanuts (easily below minimum wage).

You think there is a shortage of teachers, you should try to find coaches. Many staffs are now supplemented with paid non-faculty, and / or volunteers. While that is the norm now, it wasn’t always the case.
This post was edited on 2/13/22 at 4:03 pm
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
2961 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 3:56 pm to
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This is in Texas... where the schools are allegedly good.

I used to teach in Texas. Outside of the wealthy suburbs of Houston, DFW, Austin, and San Antonio, the schools usually have a lot of the same problems we have. Lots of low iq kids from single parent households that have zero social skills that interrupt class with parents that don't care.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34754 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:02 pm to
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Public schools will ALWAYS find teachers.


In St. Tammany they actually advertised positions within the district for the first time in 35 years. In short, the reality of the circumstances doesn’t jive with your take (at least in my neck of the woods).
This post was edited on 2/13/22 at 4:04 pm
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74625 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:09 pm to
Good. Many teachers need to bail and hopefully replaced by somequality ppl.
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
2961 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:18 pm to
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When the teachers were asked what would make them stay in public education, 45% said they want pay incentives (retention bonus, pay raise), 35% said they want changes to workload (fewer responsibilities) and 8% said they want workplace safety improvements.

They aren't addressing the elephant in the room, it's the behavior of the students. Nobody wants to enter a profession where they're insulted and disrespected by the group they're trying to help.
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
2961 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:21 pm to
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Most don't have skills that translate to much in private sector.
I got 5 or 6 offers after I left teaching.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
29065 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 4:25 pm to
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Unfortunately they moved her to another school and she has literally had over a third of her staff leave because of her “leadership”. If the superintendent would of had any balls at the time she would be out of education completely.


In my time in administration I made the observation that the only way to get fired in education was to steal, kill somebody, or sleep with a student.

I saw affairs with subordinates bounced around to different campuses, failed teachers moved to administration or non-student roles , failed principals moved to administration, and failed coaches moved to truancy officers getting still paid 6 figures a year because the school board felt like 7 year extension was in the tax payers best interest and then fired him the next year.
This post was edited on 2/13/22 at 4:26 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 5:04 pm to
Teaching sucks
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/13/22 at 5:05 pm to
Yeah that is just BS
Posted by MLU
Member since Feb 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:49 pm to
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Darn. Those poor teachers. I have never heard of a salaried position that requires additional work or prep outside of a 40 hr work week. That is unconscionable.

And don't even get me started on public sector unions. They should be disbanded. Teachers aren't accountable to a corporation, they are ultimately accountable to the taxpayers.
Private sector jobs treated that way also have difficulty hiring people. Not sure if you've been paying attention to the world around you.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14448 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:57 pm to
Y'all remember the billboards along Louisiana highways and interstates advertising teacher openings in Texas, and advertising how good their pay was?

I do.
Posted by Coach72
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2009
1433 posts
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:24 pm to
I'm currently at a "B" rated high school in the Lafayette area, and the stories I could tell would disgust you.

Most of my students read and write on a 5th/6th grade level, and give ZERO fricks about getting an education. At this point in time, about 75% are failing. That will change by the end of the school year though, thanks to: attendance recovery, grade recovery, and credit recovery.

Consequences and accountability are a thing of the past.

I could get into the demographics of it all, but it would probably get the Ban-Hammer dropped on me.

Hang on a sec, I see eight non-caucasians skipping class and hanging out while wearing illegal hoodies with their pants sagging and playing on their phones. In my younger days I'd have written them up, but it's a waste of time (as verified by the fact one of the kids currently has 47 referrals).

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