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re: Genuine question, not melting at all - Why are we unable to match other schools' in NIL?

Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67751 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:10 pm to
Even in the new world of NIL, players will want other things too.

Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1811 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:10 pm to
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TAMU has biggest and richest alumni assoc. they have 70,000 enrolled year in and year out.



Right - i understand this much. That's the reason we can't match them overall in terms of money spent.


But it doesn't make sense that they've already spent probably 20x more money than us on this class and can STILL easily outbid us on the final couple guys.



I understand and expect that we are not going to be able to compete with them on NIL overall - but it doesn't make sense to me that we can't even compete with them for ONE GUY.
Posted by rltiger
Metairie
Member since Oct 2004
909 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:11 pm to
A&M raised 4 billion in donations over a 9 year campaign for improvements to the University. Alumni love their university and fully support all aspects.

LSU started a 1.5 billion dollar campaign last March and raised 50 million in it's first year, not a great start. For, the most part LSU alumni/fans love the sports at LSU and support with ticket charges and are willing to pay the fees when seeing a return, but most are unhappy with the direction the administration has gone regarding the University.

LSU is last in alumni giving in the SEC, and with the path the administration is going down LSU will probably remain dead last for years to come.


Posted by DBeaux225
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
9510 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

Maybe this will open more voters eyes to the real state of LA and they will quit voting for Dims that don't create shite for the state


Dims and Repubes has been fricking this state for 100 years. Its not going to change
Posted by CEOTiger
New Jersey
Member since Sep 2009
485 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:13 pm to
LSU/Louisiana will never compete with wealthy states in the NIL game. We can offer something fair, but if it’s all about money for a kid…we will fade into obscurity! Sad but true!
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
42300 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:14 pm to
Other schools?

You mean A&M?
Posted by LSUDobber
Hammond, LA
Member since Jun 2004
858 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:14 pm to
Our boosters just shelled out $17 mil to the shrimp boat captain and $9 mil to BK
Posted by BTRtoIAH
Kingwood, TX
Member since May 2016
377 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:18 pm to
Everyone keeps tossing out that aTm is the biggest and richest. That might be true about their endowment, but that has nothing to do with NIL. Also, if anyone claims they just have the richest alumni that might be true (tho I doubt it) that doesn’t mean anything either. There are plenty of very wealthy alums who wouldn’t ever pay for athletes for various reasons. What it comes down to is what support from businesses or individuals (who establish businesses for NIL) who are willing to make the investment. It does seem like aTm is one of the schools most willing to spend, but it doesn’t mean they’re the richest. It might mean they’re the dumbest fans who assume paying the most will buy them a championship.
Posted by 1609tiger
Member since Feb 2011
3263 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:20 pm to
We can match it.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
59517 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:22 pm to
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I guess i just don't understand why we're NOT, then.


It’s probably hard to keep going back to the same guys to 1) buy Orgeron out, 2) pay for Kelly and staff, and 3) NIL for recruits when we are literally just 2 years removed from going 15-0 and fielding the greatest college football team of all time. We won 3 NCs and played for another in the past 18 seasons—we are not as desperate as A&M.

But the coordination is also a huge part of it. They had their ducks in a row a long time ago. It’s too rushed for a lot of Baton Rouge businesses to have had time to properly vet all this.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5608 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:22 pm to
Lol it’s absolutely that we can’t match! Our fan base keeps celebrating the little Gordon deals while the Aggies have billionaires lined up to outbid.

There’s much more resources there for alignment
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
31831 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:23 pm to
This is precisely correct. They’ve got enough rich alumns who are DESPERATE to win a championship.

Your talking about a 30 million dollar yearly commitment to buying kids, which doesn’t include what you’ve already got committed to kids in the team. It’s an unsustainable model for 99.99% of universities and alumni. The cost will always increase.

There is zero ROI for these NIL deals to kids. They’re just paying them to be there, not hock their product or company.

If it was a wealthy business man I doubt I’d invest. I could think of better uses for 300k thank buying a WR or DB in which I’ll never get anything in return.
Posted by NWHoustonTiger
Cypress, TX
Member since Sep 2010
664 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:25 pm to
Just to echo what some others have said - it’s not just a matter of having a wealthy alumni base. Stanford, Duke and probably Vandy have collective alumni wealth that could swamp just about any other P5 program. Just the Stanford alums at Google could fund NIL deals into perpetuity that no other program could match.

Here’s what makes A&M unique - there’s a sizable and committed group of Aggie alums with 7 to 9 figures of net worth (the Ags don’t have many billionaire alumni; UT swamps them there) willing to do whatever it takes to win a National Championship. Further, the Aggies have been really aggressive and progressive in their collective NIL strategy. They’ve even found ways to pool small dollar donations for NIL. LSU and many other schools are way behind, but we can catch up.

I’m particularly intrigued by small dollar-funded NIL programs. Small dollar donations via digital platforms has transformed fundraising in politics, and it could be a strategy for less-affluent alumni bases (like ours) to get on par with others.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1811 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:27 pm to
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Our boosters just shelled out $17 mil to the shrimp boat captain and $9 mil to BK



This is kind of part of my point. LSU has never had the slightest bit of trouble raising booster money for the football program. But now all of a sudden we are absolutely scraping the barrel just for one NIL deal at the end of the recruiting cycle.


Posted by dmatt2021
South LA
Member since Aug 2021
1524 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:27 pm to
When your alumni run the likes of Exxon and ConocoPhillips,their resources are unlimited.It’s the NFL with zero salary cap.
Posted by Tiger Vision
Mandeville
Member since Jan 2005
3720 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:29 pm to
Don't worry, Matt Moscona has been telling you for years that this is good thing. I called in an told him this was going to happen 5 years ago and he hung up on me.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 12:55 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61496 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:29 pm to
A&M base is willing to dish out the cash to win a national championship. Long term I don't think they give out what's going out now. Most LSU fans have seen multiple national championships in their lifetime so they're not as Gung ho. A&M is a school, by all metrics, should have done far more than they've done over the last 20 years.
This post was edited on 2/2/22 at 12:30 pm
Posted by tigahdor
Member since Feb 2022
58 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:30 pm to
Yep, this is right. A&M is actually nowhere close to the wealthiest alumni base in the country (schools like Harvard, Stanford, Michigan, USC, Texas way above them). The difference is that A&M alums are DESPERATE to win in football. Those other schools' alums have better things to spend their money on.

Also let's stop calling this "NIL". They're dropping bags to parents and handlers, at record levels. It's not the same as what other schools are doing with these technically legal NIL collectives and stuff. That's why nothing has been publicized at A&M.
Posted by bengalmd
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2021
4555 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:32 pm to
The numbers A&M is promising these signees that I heard thrown around by someone on tv yesterday is insane if true. We definitely would not be coming up with that kind of money. Apparently, even the big pay schools from pre-NIL like Bama and Georgia don’t have it set up like A&M either right now.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
9855 posts
Posted on 2/2/22 at 12:32 pm to
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A&M and other schools boosters and alumni have more money to spend right now. Simple as that



Right now? Try in perpetuity.
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