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re: Confederate veteran John S. Mosby sets the record straight on why the South fought the war
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:44 am to Palmetto98
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:44 am to Palmetto98
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Lmao I’m pathetic for condemning some greedy, racist, betraying arseholes
Yes, but mainly because no one here gives a frick about you and your ancestors. And I doubt your ancestors could give a frick what you think of their actions to begin with. Pathetic
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Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:45 am to RollTide1987
You picked a letter from a guy whose family was the 1.4% of actual slaveholders to prove the entire south fight for this man’s family to keep slaves?
Can you find the letters from the thousands of blacks and poor whites forming the other 99% who fought side by side for slavery to exist in the south now?
Can you find the letters from the thousands of blacks and poor whites forming the other 99% who fought side by side for slavery to exist in the south now?
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:46 am to theunknownknight
100-1.4 isn’t 99
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:47 am to Oilfieldbiology
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100-1.4 isn’t 99
It is if you round up and play loose with the facts like the OP
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:47 am to Rouge
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I don't know, but the conquering African tribes that enslaved and sold those men and women to the European tradesmen get a very convenient historical pass
purchasing those people, loading them on ships, transporting them across the ocean and then selling them at auction was still voluntary however
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:49 am to cgrand
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purchasing those people, loading them on ships, transporting them across the ocean and then selling them at auction was still voluntary however
I higher percentage of freed blacks owned slaves than whites…
But, yeah, let’s make this about race over economics
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 7:50 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:51 am to Loup
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The mental gymnastics it took to justify slavery are astounding.
Not really when you consider the time period. There was a social order, and Africans were considered to be a commodity, almost subhuman. They were auctioned off like cattle to the highest bidder who viewed them as a necessary part to make economic ends meet.
Also, consider how completely isolated people were in terms of communication. Africa might as well have been Mars by today's standard, and if your neighbor's farm/plantation 10 miles down the road was doing the same thing, it just seemed kind of normal, relatively speaking.
And really, in those times people were merely trying to survive on some base level. The vast majority of southerners didn't own slaves and live on fancy plantations. They were trying to put food on the table and pray some horrible disease didn't take their family members. It was a day to day, "fend for yourself" type of existence.
Africans were not the first people to be enslaved by other humans, and they will not be the last. It goes on today, all over the world.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:53 am to theunknownknight
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You picked a letter from a guy whose family was the 1.4% of actual slaveholders to prove the entire south fight for this man’s family to keep slaves?
Mosby hated slavery prior to the war even though his family owned slaves. So this isn't a good argument at all.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:53 am to HouseMom
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Not really when you consider the time period. There was a social order, and Africans were considered to be a commodity, almost subhuman.
As were the Irish and Italians (although the Italians didn’t put up with that shite long and set the Englishmen straight)
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:54 am to theunknownknight
nothing in my post about race, at all
simply that the system of chattel slavery existed voluntarily among the three major participants (African tribes, slavers and planters) because it was good business.
simply that the system of chattel slavery existed voluntarily among the three major participants (African tribes, slavers and planters) because it was good business.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:54 am to bayourougebengal
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In every fight, some are on the losing side
Exactly. If the allies lost WW2, Germans would be calling us war criminals for how we level their and Jap cities killing an unknown number of civilians.
US soldiers would, and do, justify it, saying they thought they were doing the right thing.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:55 am to Palmetto98
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Palmetto98
What a loser you are. Your ancestors weep because of you. If there were a God, you'd burn in hell.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:55 am to biohzrd
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I’ll take my downvotes, but most southerners/ confederates at that time could careless about the whole slavery issue.
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they felt they were fighting for constitutional/states/personal rights.
rights to do what? own slaves. this isn't rocket science.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:55 am to RollTide1987
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a soldier fights for his country – right or wrong – he is not responsible for the political merits of the cause he fights in.
Dumbest shite I’ve read in a long time.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:55 am to RollTide1987
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Mosby hated slavery prior to the war even though his family owned slaves. So this isn't a good argument at all.
So what changed his mind? Either seeing people die gave him a boner for racism or there were other economic factors that began affecting his family and it became about protecting the 1%.
Seems like the story is still the same today. The poors fight for one reason - freedom, liberty…while the rich fight for another - control over people’s lives, money, and power…and the winners set the narrative
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 7:57 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:56 am to letsgeauxbrandon
quote:Horrible comparison. The Nazis were the ruling class
Ask the Nazis how this played out.
It worked out fine for the common German soldier. They acclimated fine with other countries people
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:56 am to Palmetto98
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the conquering African tribes that enslaved and sold those men and women to the European tradesmen get a very convenient historical pass
This doesn’t change the fact that the European powers benefited the most out of slavery.
So the Europeans were better at business. That is what you're saying. How is this any sort of discussion point?
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:58 am to theunknownknight
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So what changed his mind?
What do you mean? His reasons for fighting are stated in the letter. He fought for his country - the South - because he viewed it as HIS country. But he also had no illusions of the principle cause of the war - which was obviously slavery. The Southern states seceded to protect the institution of slavery. Why each individual soldier fought, however, varied from person to person. Mosby was anti-slavery but fought because he felt his country was being invaded by a foreign power. He just didn't delude himself of the war's ultimate cause.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:58 am to RollTide1987
Imagine being so cucked that in 2022 you simp for long-dead southern oligarchs by pushing lost cause propaganda.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:58 am to Rouge
Ask yourselves this:
If a civil war broke out TODAY and the left won, how would conservatives be painted in history books 200 years from now?
People who fought for freedom? Or people who oppressed others and needed to be stopped.
I’m amazed at the sheer number of conservatives who STILL can’t see through the bullshite on the Civil War.
If a civil war broke out TODAY and the left won, how would conservatives be painted in history books 200 years from now?
People who fought for freedom? Or people who oppressed others and needed to be stopped.
I’m amazed at the sheer number of conservatives who STILL can’t see through the bullshite on the Civil War.
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