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Confederate veteran John S. Mosby sets the record straight on why the South fought the war
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:25 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:25 am
In this letter, written by him in 1907, the famous Confederate partisan ranger explains why the South went to war and lays it all on the question of slavery. However, his argument about why the South shouldn't be ashamed of such an issue is very interesting and echoes what many of us are saying today:
Full Letter
And here is an excerpt from the interesting part:
Full Letter
And here is an excerpt from the interesting part:
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Christian quotes what the Old Virginians – said against slavery. True; but why didn’t he quote what the modern Virginians said in favor of it – Mason, Hunter, Wise &c. Why didn’t he state that a Virginia Senator (Mason) was the author of the Fugitive Slave law – & why didn’t he quote The Virginia Code (1860) that made it a crime to speak against slavery, or to teach a negro to read the Lord’s prayer. Now while I think as badly of slavery as Horace Greeley did I am not ashamed that my family were slaveholders. It was our inheritance – Neither am I ashamed that my ancestors were pirates & cattle thieves. People must be judged by the standard of their own age. If it was right to own slaves as property it was right to fight for it. The South went to war on account of Slavery. South Carolina went to war – as she said in her Secession proclamation – because slavery wd. not be secure under Lincoln. South Carolina ought to know what was the cause for her seceding. . . . I am not ashamed of having fought on the side of slavery – a soldier fights for his country – right or wrong – he is not responsible for the political merits of the cause he fights in. The South was my country.
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Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:28 am to RollTide1987
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a soldier fights for his country – right or wrong – he is not responsible for the political merits of the cause he fights in.
Ask the Nazis how this played out.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:31 am to letsgeauxbrandon
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Ask the Nazis how this played out.
This
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:32 am to RollTide1987
There you have it. I have never understood the
Theory that the CW was fought over any issue other than slavery.
The idea that the issue was States’ Rights is actually correct.
States’ Rights to own slaves. End of argument.
Theory that the CW was fought over any issue other than slavery.
The idea that the issue was States’ Rights is actually correct.
States’ Rights to own slaves. End of argument.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:33 am to letsgeauxbrandon
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Ask the Nazis how this played out.
Same exact thought.
Dangerous rhetoric in the absence of accountability.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:35 am to letsgeauxbrandon
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Ask the Nazis how this played out.
Not sure the relevance here, but every soldier in every country fights for what he knows. In every fight, some are on the losing side.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:38 am to letsgeauxbrandon
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Ask the Nazis how this played out.
Not every German soldier was a Nazi.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 6:40 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:39 am to RollTide1987
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Now while I think as badly of slavery as Horace Greeley did I am not ashamed that my family were slaveholders. It was our inheritance – Neither am I ashamed that my ancestors were pirates & cattle thieves.
Baw came from a long line of people wgo didn't want to work.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:39 am to RollTide1987
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The actual Nazis, the men who perpetrated the war crimes, they were punished.
Lol. You’re adorable.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:42 am to LSUCouyon
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I have never understood the Theory that the CW was fought over any issue other than slavery. The idea that the issue was States’ Rights is actually correct. States’ Rights to own slaves. End of argument.
This! As if states were fighting for rights to abolish slavery? Mosby cuts right through the states right veil.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:42 am to letsgeauxbrandon
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Ask the Nazis how this played out.
NOT DEFENDING SLAVERY
But it’s not really the same thing. The things the Nazis did were new to the German people.
Again, not defending slavery but it’s not like the south just decided one day to enslave an entire group of people they lived/worked along side for decades… you’re being intellectually dishonest if you think they’re the same.
AGAIN NOT DEFENDING SLAVERY
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 6:50 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:42 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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You’re adorable.
Hitler - committed suicide
Himmler - committed suicie
Heydrich - was assassinated
Eichmann - was executed
Goering - committed suicide
Goebbels - committed suicide
Those are the Big Six right there. There are many small timers who got away but most of the men who actually planned and coordinated the bigger picture of the Holocaust had their lives ended prematurely.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:43 am to RollTide1987
My family was to poor to have ever owned a slave, and honestly wished all they had to do was a days work to insure a roof over their heads, and a decent meal that night. As were most of the southerners in that day and age.
My family has journals, bible write ins, and other written stuff about it all. Maybe my ancestors were just that ignorant, but they could careless, or about fighting for slavery, but they felt they were fighting for constitutional/states/personal rights.
Be that as it may.... the industrial revolution was already happening, and a slave was quickly become an unneeded expense.
I’ll take my downvotes, but most southerners/ confederates at that time could careless about the whole slavery issue.
My family has journals, bible write ins, and other written stuff about it all. Maybe my ancestors were just that ignorant, but they could careless, or about fighting for slavery, but they felt they were fighting for constitutional/states/personal rights.
Be that as it may.... the industrial revolution was already happening, and a slave was quickly become an unneeded expense.
I’ll take my downvotes, but most southerners/ confederates at that time could careless about the whole slavery issue.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:44 am to RollTide1987
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Hitler - committed suicide
Himmler - committed suicie
Heydrich - was assassinated
Eichmann - was executed
Goering - committed suicide
Goebbels - committed suicide
So 1 person.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:45 am to bayourougebengal
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Not sure the relevance here, but every soldier in every country fights for what he knows
I agree. And the German soldiers knew about the concentration camps. And continued to fight.
This all boils down to whether or not you believe a soldier signs away his morality when he enlists. And both sides present some element of danger, but the Holocaust was the ultimate consequnece of giving up your morality.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:46 am to biohzrd
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the industrial revolution was already happening, and a slave was quickly become an unneeded expense.
Because slaves couldn't possibly replace cheap labor in a factory, amirite?
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:48 am to RollTide1987
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If it was right to own slaves as property it was right to fight for it.
It was never right though.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:51 am to biohzrd
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Maybe my ancestors were just that ignorant, but they could careless, or about fighting for slavery, but they felt they were fighting for constitutional/states/personal rights.
How does this equal this:
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but most southerners/ confederates at that time could careless about the whole slavery issue.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:53 am to BillyGibbons
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NOT DEFENDING SLAVERY But it’s not really the same thing. The things the Nazis did were new to the German people. Again, not defending slavery but it’s not like the south just decided one day to enslave an entire group of people they lived/worked along side for decades… you’re being intellectually dishonest if you think they’re the same. AGAIN NOT DEFENDING SLAVERY
JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY NOT DEFENDING SLAVERY DOESNT MEAN YOU ARENT
Dear lawdy
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