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re: Confederate veteran John S. Mosby sets the record straight on why the South fought the war
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:20 am to Palmetto98
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:20 am to Palmetto98
So you’re trying to chastise my family that sent men to die, so your aristocratic, pussified family could continue your way of life?!?!?
Go frick yourself.
Go frick yourself.
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Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:21 am to RollTide1987
It was 160 years ago, its time people got over arguing about the civil war.
Half the nations of the world didn't exist in their current forms at that time. Mindsets have changed, values have changed, let it go.
Half the nations of the world didn't exist in their current forms at that time. Mindsets have changed, values have changed, let it go.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:22 am to bird35
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Got it.
335,000 white men died fighting to free the slaves.
Your Welcome.
Wtf does that have to do with what I said?
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:24 am to RollTide1987
The mental gymnastics it took to justify slavery are astounding.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:30 am to bird35
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335,000 white men died fighting to free the slaves.
Pretty amazing thing when you think about it. Everyone seems to forget the bloodshed to end slavery and save the union.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:31 am to Loup
Do you mean today or do you mean in 1850’s? Because today I completely agree with you, in the 1850’s I don’t.
Many owners did not view them as people, much less equals. They viewed them as an investment like one would make in a plow horse or a tractor today. It doesn’t take mental gymnastics for people to fight for their economic investments to maintain their way of life.
Many owners did not view them as people, much less equals. They viewed them as an investment like one would make in a plow horse or a tractor today. It doesn’t take mental gymnastics for people to fight for their economic investments to maintain their way of life.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:33 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:so were they evil or just stupid?
Many owners did not view them as people,
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:34 am to Mo Jeaux
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How many people has America murdered?
In systematic genocide? Zero. In atrocities committed during war? Hundreds of thousands. Maybe millions. But that's true of just about every nation. That doesn't make it right. However, it does provide perspective.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 7:35 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:35 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Do you mean today or do you mean in 1850’s?
I don't know anybody who tries to justify it today.
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Many owners did not view them as people.
Those are the gymnastics I'm talking about. The Declaration stated all men are created equal. To justify slavery they conveniently denied the humanity of a race due to difference in skin color, native land, etc. They did the same with Manifest Destiny.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 7:47 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:35 am to Loup
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The mental gymnastics it took to justify slavery are astounding
Land owners who had slaves should have had their property divided and given to their former slaves.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:36 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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so were they evil or just stupid?
Is every country in the history of the world evil or stupid, because slavery has existed in every country and culture at some point in time.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:38 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:i'm not talking about "countries". i'm talking about southern slave owners who didn't see african slaves as people. were they evil or stupid?
Is every country in the history of the world evil or stupid,
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:38 am to Loup
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The Declaration stated all men are created equal.
Yet also there were voting restrictions on all men. It doesn’t take mental gymnastics to try and maintain the status quo when that status quo is your livelihood.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:39 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Were the Roman aristocracy evil or stupid? What about the Dutch? What about the Aztecs? The Inca? The French? The British?
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:40 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Many owners did not view them as people,
so were they evil or just stupid?
I don't know, but the conquering African tribes that enslaved and sold those men and women to the European tradesmen get a very convenient historical pass
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 7:41 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:40 am to RollTide1987
The South seceded over slavery.
The North fought them over tariff / tax revenues.
The North fought them over tariff / tax revenues.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:40 am to Klark Kent
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Slavery was wrong, but man this is straight up pathetic.
Lmao I’m pathetic for condemning some greedy, racist, betraying arseholes
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I don't know, but the conquering African tribes that enslaved and sold those men and women to the European tradesmen get a very convenient historical pass
This doesn’t change the fact that the European powers benefited the most out of slavery.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 7:43 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:41 am to Oilfieldbiology
what about what about what about
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:41 am to Rouge
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but the conquering African tribes that enslaved and sold those men and women to the European tradesmen get a very convenient historical pass
It's called "white guilt" and it is a very powerful emotion.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:43 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
About 5% of households owned slaves. Less than 1% owned 50 or more.
The rank and file fought for their state. The aristocracy pushed secession because of slavery.
The average Southerner wasn't complicit in the trade and gets a bad rap.
The rank and file fought for their state. The aristocracy pushed secession because of slavery.
The average Southerner wasn't complicit in the trade and gets a bad rap.
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