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I’ve noticed the service academies have started to win more in recent years
Posted on 12/28/21 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/28/21 at 2:33 pm
My theory is it is a direct correlation to the lack of discipline throughout most of the sport and the me culture that recent changes in college football have produced have made these undersized kids who just execute and do their jobs hard to stop
This post was edited on 12/28/21 at 2:34 pm
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Posted on 12/28/21 at 2:36 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
i suspect you have bias regarding the "service academies". the service isn't nearly as disciplined as you think. if they're winning, it's bc of increased talent.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 2:40 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Navy is down
Army is slightly up
Air Force is down
Army is slightly up
Air Force is down
Posted on 12/28/21 at 2:44 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
the option is sucks to prepare for and hardly anyone else runs it.
They are also really good degrees that at the moment doesn't come with the worry of some goat fricker shooting an RPG at you.
They are also really good degrees that at the moment doesn't come with the worry of some goat fricker shooting an RPG at you.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 2:45 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I’ve noticed the service academies have started to win more in recent years
i think it has more to do with them changing and no longer being triple option only offenses. they are more in line with other teams now who throw it a lot
Posted on 12/28/21 at 2:53 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Navy just had one of their worst seasons in recent memory but both army and Air Force are solid. I think it has more to do with schedule than anything though.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 3:25 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Army is the only one with a notable uptick in success in recent years.
On the flip side, Navy has seen a big drop the last few seasons from there usual level of success in that time frame
Air Force has won 8 or more games 9 times since 2000 including 10 win seasons in 2016 and 2014 and 9 win seasons in 2009 and 2007. They seem to have one of these kind of years every 3-4 years.
On the flip side, Navy has seen a big drop the last few seasons from there usual level of success in that time frame
Air Force has won 8 or more games 9 times since 2000 including 10 win seasons in 2016 and 2014 and 9 win seasons in 2009 and 2007. They seem to have one of these kind of years every 3-4 years.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 5:09 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I’ve noticed the service academies have started to win more in recent years by Hawgnsincebirth55
My theory is it is a direct correlation to the lack of discipline throughout most of the sport and the me culture that recent changes in college football have produced have made these undersized kids who just execute and do their jobs hard to stop
I’ve noticed a slight uptick in the number of threads reporting an unsubstantiated correlation and positing a causal relationship that satisfies their cognitive priors.
Posted on 12/28/21 at 7:11 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
roger staubach led navy to an undefeated season and cotton bowl.
therefore the word started is not enough.
you mean since you started paying attention.
also:
around 1960
air force academy tied that years national champ iowa. both undefeated seasons.
afa ranked 6th.
had a big bowl.
i noticed those.
heck, coast guard was pretty good for a while there.
i witnessed a football game of enlisted men similar to the one in M.A.S.H. i dont know why generals think its a good idea.
therefore the word started is not enough.
you mean since you started paying attention.
also:
around 1960
air force academy tied that years national champ iowa. both undefeated seasons.
afa ranked 6th.
had a big bowl.
i noticed those.
heck, coast guard was pretty good for a while there.
i witnessed a football game of enlisted men similar to the one in M.A.S.H. i dont know why generals think its a good idea.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:02 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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My theory is it is a direct correlation to the lack of discipline throughout most of the sport and the me culture that recent changes in college football have produced have made these undersized kids who just execute and do their jobs hard to stop
cant speak for the other academies, though it does seem like if anything navy and AF are down, but for ARMY, it has more to do with getting a new general in charge and a better coach. the new general likes sports and loosened up on the weight requirements so long as the recruits are in shape and can meet pt standards. the old gen was hell bent on enforcing the weight requirments.
so in army's case...has nothing to do with what you said.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 3:36 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Nah, just gaming the system like everybody else with their
feeder programs
Army followed suit after an extended losing streak in the '00's that was finally broken in '16
feeder programs
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the 1980s, Navy noticed that the Air Force Academy, which was regularly trouncing it in football, was placing recruited athletes in its prep school. Indeed, in 2003, Fisher DeBerry, the longtime coach of the Falcons, told The Colorado Springs Gazette that the prep school “has had a major impact on the success of our football team.
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Eager to turn the tide against its rival, Navy began to copy DeBerry’s methods. Sure enough, NAPS is now a means by which Navy launders underqualified athletes into the Naval Academy.
Jim Kenney, a retired Navy captain who was the commanding officer of the Navy prep school from 1978-82, recalled that in his era maybe four football players had been enrolled. “Today,” he said, “it is dominated by athletes.”
Army followed suit after an extended losing streak in the '00's that was finally broken in '16
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 12/29/21 at 6:24 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
They don't play anyone. When they do they, more times than not, get beat. Army's playing teams like Bucknell and Massachusetts.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 7:52 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
This is politically motivated nonsense.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:37 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I think it's simple....most teams that aren't in the big bowls simply don't want to be there. The Service Acadamies know that these minor bowls are as good as it's going to get for them and they want to be there.
Plus they have a commitment - I may be wrong but I don't think they have the freedom to opt out nearly as easily as players at all other schools.
Plus they have a commitment - I may be wrong but I don't think they have the freedom to opt out nearly as easily as players at all other schools.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:22 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Also being physical. The spread has made football a less physical game and a lot of teams are geared up to run and chase not stand and fight.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 1:09 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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