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re: The Hill: 32-Hour Workweek Act
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:06 am to diat150
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:06 am to diat150
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yep they will just cut back to 32 and hire another 32 hour worker/s
You can't find workers as it is now...
Like i posted on another thread... I know a guy sitting at home on his arse with his old lady raking in Kid Money from the government... Food assistance and houseing assistance... He is not even thinking about a job.
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Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:06 am to Maytheporkbewithyou
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So, this would just encourage employers to terminate full time employees and move to all part time and temp jobs. Brilliant plan if you are trying to ruin everybody's life.
LOL, what?
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:15 am to finchmeister08
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, but it will require employers to offer employees overtime pay after 32 hours.
So looks like I'll be giving my support staff three day weekends.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:15 am to td01241
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This is the dumbest fricking idea to propose at this time.
It's by design.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:17 am to Maytheporkbewithyou
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So, this would just encourage employers to terminate full time employees and move to all part time and temp jobs. Brilliant plan if you are trying to ruin everybody's life.
i bet it would make it easier for the employer to limit it to 29 so they don't have to offer healthcare to their employees (30 hour Obamacare rule).
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:19 am to finchmeister08
This wouldn't even pass the House.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:19 am to td1
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Why, you pay for their skill set and their results not for how long they hang out at your office. An employee that can get 40 hours done in 32 is more valuable than an employee who needs 40 to get the same results.
exactly! currently salaried myself and some weeks it takes me 25 hours to get the work done, and other weeks it takes 50 or more. It just depends on the workload/season we are in. It's silly that I have to sit at my desk during the off season till the end of the day with nothing to do just bc of some arbitrary HR rule that was written for the whole company. Salaried folks are paid for results, not by the hour, yet we get treated like an hourly worker in terms of seat time.
IMO you incentivize people to work harder by letting them go home when they've finished a project (assuming there's not another project waiting in the queue).
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:19 am to Areddishfish
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I don't know what it should be but the work week does need to be revisited.
Not by the federal government. Employers are free right now to offer whatever sort of work hours they see fit.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:21 am to td1
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Why, you pay for their skill set and their results not for how long they hang out at your office. An employee that can get 40 hours done in 32 is more valuable than an employee who needs 40 to get the same results. You ever heard the story of the old man who whacked a piece of equipment with a hammer and got it running in 10 min vs the four guys you paid several hours with no results. That old guy is more valuable bc he knows where to whack it with the hammer.
Because for payroll purposes you would be at $24*32 instead of $24*40.
But we know people cant logic anymore.
This post was edited on 12/10/21 at 10:23 am
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:26 am to finchmeister08
I'm fine with 32 hours, though, I do think this is a sneaky way of forcing de facto pay hikes for companies that can't do without the 40+ hour workers.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:26 am to finchmeister08
In order to be an exempt employee, you have to make a minimum salary and have subordinates. Everyone else is hourly. (Oversimplified but close enough.)
So this just means you lose 8 hours a week so you take a 20% pay cut.
And it gets worse. 30 hours is the threshold for health insurance under the ACA. So you can cut everyone's hours from 30 to 28 by making it a 4x7 and you can ditch insurance. They can all work two part time, no insurance jobs and go to the exchange for a junk plan.
So this just means you lose 8 hours a week so you take a 20% pay cut.
And it gets worse. 30 hours is the threshold for health insurance under the ACA. So you can cut everyone's hours from 30 to 28 by making it a 4x7 and you can ditch insurance. They can all work two part time, no insurance jobs and go to the exchange for a junk plan.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:34 am to Bestbank Tiger
I had a guy working for me a few years ago who we paid for 40 hrs but he maybe worked 32. Wanted him to make a living wage
Dude was always trying to borrow money. He really needed to work 10-15 hour part time somewhere else, but just wouldn’t do it. That extra money would have covered the lifestyle he wanted to lead.
Makes no sense to encourage people to work less when their wants and needs are not covered working that little
Dude was always trying to borrow money. He really needed to work 10-15 hour part time somewhere else, but just wouldn’t do it. That extra money would have covered the lifestyle he wanted to lead.
Makes no sense to encourage people to work less when their wants and needs are not covered working that little
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:34 am to finchmeister08
This will really help with cost of goods and supply issues
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:35 am to finchmeister08
Let's see....
Drive prices up 33%.
Cut supply by 40%.
Increase taxes by 30%.
Reduce wages by 20%.
The Brandon Bust is in full swing.
Make America Poor Again!
Drive prices up 33%.
Cut supply by 40%.
Increase taxes by 30%.
Reduce wages by 20%.
The Brandon Bust is in full swing.
Make America Poor Again!
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:36 am to finchmeister08
Perfect timing for a 20% reduction in productivity through government fiat 
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:36 am to finchmeister08
We need to move on from quantifying labor in terms of time versus output.
If you can get your shite done in 32 hours, we should absolutely be motivating people to work smarter not longer just for the optics of an arse in a seat for 40+ hours. Its why I'm sitting here typing this out on a Friday at work after doing everything I needed to this week.
Having said that, this obviously works for the laptop class but not the service industry. I don't know how to fix that divide.
If you can get your shite done in 32 hours, we should absolutely be motivating people to work smarter not longer just for the optics of an arse in a seat for 40+ hours. Its why I'm sitting here typing this out on a Friday at work after doing everything I needed to this week.
Having said that, this obviously works for the laptop class but not the service industry. I don't know how to fix that divide.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:38 am to finchmeister08
Thanks for the 20% paycut dumbass. Companies will simply limit workers to 32 hours a week at the same wages and will replace people with robots elsewhere. This is an underemployment bill.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:42 am to finchmeister08
The ACA requires anyone working 30+ hours be offered insurance by the employer. Coincidence? (I think not)
The amount of work hasn't decreased so cutting the work week by a whole day and then putting OT at anything over 32 hours is going to fricking kill GDP.
Creating more jobs by splitting the jobs you have in two when it isn't necessary just goes back to that liberal philosophy that the primary task a job should be created to accomplish is giving the worker an income.
The amount of work hasn't decreased so cutting the work week by a whole day and then putting OT at anything over 32 hours is going to fricking kill GDP.
Creating more jobs by splitting the jobs you have in two when it isn't necessary just goes back to that liberal philosophy that the primary task a job should be created to accomplish is giving the worker an income.
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:44 am to TigerAxeOK
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So, essentially, it will eliminate 40-hour work weeks for anyone making an hourly wage.
Will also allow companies to not provide insurance unless they also lower the hourly definition of a full time employee
Posted on 12/10/21 at 10:48 am to imjustafatkid
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The House Progressive Caucus is putting its weight behind a measure
Might as well just say it's dead on arrival.
They may throw them a bone
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