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Not the Bee- Biden Administration to advise Ukraine to hand over territory to Russia

Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:41 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:41 am
Daily Caller

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President Joe Biden’s administration reportedly plans to push the Ukrainian government to appease Russian President Vladimir Putin by ceding territory, The Associated Press reported Thursday.

Biden held a virtual meeting Tuesday with Putin, during which Biden threatened an “economic” response should Russia invade Ukraine. Russian troops have been amassing on Ukraine’s border for weeks, a nation that has long sought to join NATO but is unlikely to gain membership within the next decade, officials told AP.

U.S. officials reportedly plan to urge Ukraine to grant autonomy to eastern regions that are still controlled by separatists who participated in the 2014 Russia-backed revolt against the Ukrainian government. The eastern Donbas region has held a vague “special status” since the 2014 uprising, a status Ukrainian parliament voted to extend for another year on Dec. 3.

Biden has previously confirmed that deploying U.S. troops to help Ukraine fend off an invasion is not on the table, focusing instead on economic sanctions.

“We have a moral obligation and a legal obligation to our NATO allies if they were to attack under Article 5, it’s a sacred obligation,” Biden said. “That obligation does not extend to NATO – I mean to Ukraine. But it would depend upon what rest of the NATO countries were willing to do as well. But the idea that the United States is going to unilaterally use force to confront Russia invading Ukraine is not on, in the cards right now. What will happen is there will be severe consequences.”

The president’s critics have argued his stance on Ukraine is projecting a message of weakness to the world, and particularly to China. Reporters also pressed the White House on the message Biden’s Ukraine response may send to China at Tuesday’s press briefing. China has long mirrored Russia’s aggression toward Ukraine with its own threats to retake Taiwan by force.

“Some observers have described a nightmare scenario where President Putin invades Ukraine and also simultaneously President Xi uses force to reunify Taiwan with China. Is the U.S. prepared to deal with such a scenario?” a reporter asked national security adviser Jake Sullivan.

“The United States is going to take every action that we can take, from the point of view of both deterrence and diplomacy, to make sure that the Taiwan scenario you just described never happens, and to try to avert the invasion into Ukraine,” Sullivan said. “That is the object of our policy right now. Those are the steps we’re taking.”

Russian troops continue to amass along the Ukrainian border, and U.S. intelligence officials believe that Moscow is prepping for a full-scale offensive against Ukraine as early as the next few weeks, according to The Washington Post.




Peace in our time indeed. frick you Joe Biden! frick you Antony Blinken! frick you Mark Milley! And frick you Jake Sullivan. If that nightmare scenario of the simultaneous invasion happens, every member of this administration should not only have to resign, but be charged with major crimes.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46146 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:43 am to
Holy shite. Imagine if Trump suggested this.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35766 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:45 am to
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U.S. officials reportedly plan to urge Ukraine to grant autonomy to eastern regions that are still controlled by separatists who participated in the 2014 Russia-backed revolt against the Ukrainian government.

Jesus Christ how weak is that. “Just give them the Sudetenland, all they want is to reunite with ethnic Germans.”

I don’t support defending Ukraine militarily, but to butt in and outright undermine Ukraine’s position by “urging” this? frick us.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 10:46 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62583 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 10:46 am to
No surprise. This is the school of “diplomacy” that says the fastest most decisive. way to end a war is to surrender. Obama 2.0.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31756 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:03 am to
Here’s the AP article your link is piggybacking on. It’s not quite what the DC article is suggesting.

quote:

Administration officials have suggested that the U.S. will press Ukraine to formally cede a measure of autonomy to eastern Ukrainian lands now controlled by Russia-backed separatists who rose up against Kyiv in 2014. An undefined “special status” for those areas was laid out in an ambiguous, European-brokered peace deal in 2015, but it has never taken hold.


quote:

Under the 2015 deal, Ukraine agreed to change its constitution to accommodate the “peculiarities” of the two Donbas separatist republics and to legalize their “special status.” Some analysts said the deal’s vagueness, and some conflicting requirements, make its provisions effectively unworkable.

Ukraine is willing to engage in talks on defining “special status,” including possible changes that account for the cultural and linguistic differences of its eastern Donbas region, which has a higher proportion of native Russian speakers, the person familiar with the private talks between Ukraine and the United States said.

But Ukraine would reject any change that gives the region virtual veto power over national policy, the person said.


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What would you advise Biden and our allies to do?
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 11:04 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:04 am to
quote:

Administration officials have suggested that the U.S. will press Ukraine to formally cede a measure of autonomy to eastern Ukrainian lands now controlled by Russia-backed separatists who rose up against Kyiv in 2014.


What do you think was happening in the Sudetenland?
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:05 am to
I say let the people of Ukraine decide.

If they want a war they fight it.

If they want to go to Russia with no fight go on.

We should stay out of it.
Unless Hunter Biden wants to give back the money he made off serving on the energy company’s board in the Ukraine.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52905 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:07 am to
Remember when they tried to impeach GEOTUS over Ukraine....
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22012 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:08 am to
biden bends over for anyone

wtf
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31756 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:09 am to
I remember when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine into helping him win the 2020 election.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:10 am to
quote:

Remember when they tried to impeach GEOTUS over Ukraine....


They are the traitors. If Antony Blinken and Mark Milley are not prosecuted for treason and then not shot out back immediately after the conviction by 2026, we’ve failed. Antony Blinken is the biggest fricking coward in American history and deserves anything coming his way.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14039 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:10 am to
What a fricking moron
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
86070 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:11 am to
quote:

I remember when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine into helping him win the 2020 election.



Good thing he failed, otherwise we wouldn't be enjoying this prosperous and revitalized government/culture/society!
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76602 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:13 am to
quote:

What would you advise Biden and our allies to do?
Not this:

“Administration officials have suggested that the U.S. will press Ukraine to formally cede a measure of autonomy to eastern Ukrainian lands now controlled by Russia-backed separatists who rose up against Kyiv in 2014.”
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30955 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:14 am to
quote:

Not the Bee- Biden

That's a pretty good nickname for him. Joe "not the bee" Biden.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53783 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:14 am to
quote:

I remember when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine into helping him win the 2020 election.


I bet you believe the Hunter Biden Laptop from Hell is Russian disinformation.....
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
4666 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:14 am to
quote:

I remember when Trump tried to blackmail Ukraine into helping him win the 2020 election.



No you don't. You remember Democrats trying to impeach him for exposing what Joe Biden, his brother, and Hunter were doing illegally in Ukraine.

They were funneling government funds back into their own accounts via phony jobs. Trump knew exactly what Joe and Hunter did and was exposing it.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66699 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:14 am to
Right. We can't rip Biden for being Neville Chamberlain, then also get upset if he turns into a warhawk. I say stay out of it.
Posted by thotpocket
Dana Point, CA
Member since Sep 2017
2600 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:16 am to
el oh el
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 11:16 am to
I really don't give a shite if Russia gets more of Ukraine or not. I also like the idea of not getting into an unnecessary hot war with Russia when our interest are clearly not known.

But this diplomatic acquiescence to Russia is problematic from a global perspective. That is, other counties now see an opening because of Biden's weakness. They are going to want their pound of flesh too.

Putin would have NEVER taken this stance with Ukraine with Trump in the White House.
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