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Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:56 am to Warrior Poet
A society that punishes parents for bad parenting when it pretty obviously contributes to societal harm is a good thing
BUT, we all know here it'll be applied unevenly and the scores of daily assaults, rapes and murders by juveniles in urban areas because of garbage parenting will continue to be someone else's fault
BUT, we all know here it'll be applied unevenly and the scores of daily assaults, rapes and murders by juveniles in urban areas because of garbage parenting will continue to be someone else's fault
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:57 am to BigDawg0420
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It really depends how you define "immediate control".
I’m guessing the dad wasn’t on school grounds and was probably miles away. On what planet can anybody define that as “immediate control”?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:00 am to Flats
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The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: A prosecutor has filed involuntary manslaughter charges against the parents of a 15-year-old accused of killing four students and wounding seven other people at a Michigan high school.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:01 am to Indefatigable
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Using the statute cited above,
If someone quoted it correctly that statute is about using firearms, not storing them. Is there a law that states what you said or do you just think there should be?
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:01 am to rt3
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BREAKING: A prosecutor has filed involuntary manslaughter charges against the parents of a 15-year-old accused of killing four students and wounding seven other people at a Michigan high school.
Stupid. I'll happily contribute to their defense fund.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:02 am to Music_City_Tiger
I don't care what they charge him with, I just hope they fry the motherfricker!
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:02 am to rt3
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The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: A prosecutor has filed involuntary manslaughter charges against the parents of a 15-year-old accused of killing four students and wounding seven other people at a Michigan high school.
If the parents did not give the kid the gun, this is overcharging
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:02 am to Music_City_Tiger
We won't know shite until after the trial starts.
For frick's sake, media, politicians and kenosha lied for months about rittenhouse going across state lines with a gun.
For frick's sake, media, politicians and kenosha lied for months about rittenhouse going across state lines with a gun.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:03 am to GhostOfFreedom
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Charge these parents with murder. imio.
Idiotic opinion
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:04 am to Eurocat
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Why not charge the parents of every gang banger caught with a weapon?
Could only charge the mother.
99% of the time, the father is either in prison or has already been murdered.
But it's not a culture problem
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:06 am to Indefatigable
quote:"immediate control" would indicate, to me, the person in possession of the firearm, not simply the owner. That's a law for someone who discharges a gun while cleaning it.
shall cause or allow any firearm under his immediate control
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:09 am to GhostOfFreedom
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Parents should be charged for letting an unstable brat get access to their firearms.
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GhostOfFreedom
Name checks out.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:09 am to BigDawg0420
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I am as big of a defender of the 2nd Amendment as anyone.
We all know what follows a claim like that. You did not disappoint.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:12 am to imjustafatkid
Be like charging the family of the guy who was hijacked by an suv... because they didn't give him love. Could they have purposely denied him love in order to push him into being hijacked by that suv?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:14 am to Flats
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We all know what follows a claim like that. You did not disappoint.
This. It's the same as when someone starts off by saying they are a big defender of free speech.... and then goes on to claim that a lot of speech should be illegal.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:34 am to CHSTigersFan
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I just hope they fry the motherfricker!
No death penalty in Michigan. Taxpayers will be paying for him to get college degrees for the next 60-70 years.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:36 am to Flats
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Is there a law that states what you said or do you just think there should be?
The law that I quoted includes “allowing” a weapon to be used to injure another. That doesn’t mean the person charged has to be one who pulls the trigger. Storing it carelessly or negligently in a manner that allows it to be used to injure another would fall under that statue.
Doesn't matter now though...they went with involuntary manslaughter anyway. Which seems like an overcharge unless the parents gave the kid the weapon and had knowledge of his intent
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 11:40 am
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:42 am to Music_City_Tiger
Maybe school officials should be charged for dereliction of duty for not having him escorted off campus when it seems they had just cause to do so.
quote:SHOOTER
Fox2 Detroit meanwhile reported that the school in fact summoned Mr Crumbley’s parents on both Monday and Tuesday, citing violent drawings as well as “concerning” behaviour. The meetings and subject of the drawings remain unconfirmed, and it is not known if they were connected with the “disturbing” and “troubling” evidence cited by Ms McDonald, who said he was “unfortunately ... allowed to go back to class” despite the withheld piece of information.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:46 am to BigDawg0420
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I am as big of a defender of the 2nd Amendment as anyone. With that being said, the right to bear arms comes with great responsibility. That responsibility includes securing firearms in a way that prevents them from falling into the unsupervised hands of children, mentally ill, etc. While I don't believe the shooter's parents should be vicariously liable for the murders, they probably should be charged with some form of negligent handling/storage of a firearm. Now my opinion may change if facts show the parents knew their child was disturbed/had sinister plans and still allowed access to the firearm. Will be interesting to see what ultimately they will be charged with.
No you’re not. Not at all in fact.
At 15 my daddy bought me a 22 and it stayed under my drivers seat for years. The shotgun cabinet was never locked and I remember having access to all his guns for as far back as I can remember.
I never dreamed of grabbing one, much less shooting someone.
We have a sin problem, not a gun problem.
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