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Got Land? The Energy Transition’s Major Issue

Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:21 am
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
25047 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:21 am
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Forget lithium, cobalt, and nickel—the most crucial resource for the acceleration of solar and wind power generation capacity is the availability of land for renewables development and the associated permitting and biodiversity regulations.

As important as critical minerals are to the energy transition, if countries don’t have enough large tracts of land to deploy the renewables technologies produced from these critical materials, they will be falling short of their own goals of a fast rollout of renewable energy sources.

Permitting, regulations on biodiversity and protecting the environment, and NIMBYism are constraining the land resource for renewables in Europe and threaten to derail the EU’s targets to significantly increase the share of green energy in its energy consumption.

Earlier this year, the European Union member states and the European Parliament reached a political agreement to raise the targeted share of renewable energy in the EU’s energy consumption to 42.5% by 2030, up from a current target of 32%. The 42.5% target will be binding – once it becomes law after endorsements by both the EU Council and the European Parliament – while a 45% share of renewable energy in the bloc’s energy consumption by 2030 is an indicative aspirational target under the agreement.

The provisional agreement also includes accelerated permitting procedures for renewable energy projects, with the goal to fast-track the deployment of renewable energies and allow the EU to become independent from Russian energy sources as soon as possible.


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It takes up to nine years in some countries to hand out a permit for a single project, which is incompatible with the EU’s ambitions – last year the EU only installed 16 GW of new wind when it actually needs 31 GW every year on average to 2030 to meet its targets, WindEurope noted.


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Even if permitting in the EU becomes smoother, securing so much available land for hundreds of gigawatts of additional solar and wind power capacity could be a big challenge for Europe, McKinsey & Company said in a recent report.


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“Beyond the technical suitability of the land, which is a hard limiting factor, a significant amount of land in Europe is unavailable for development because of strict regulations,” McKinsey’s analysts wrote.

And the land that remains available is often well suited for—and therefore must compete with—other societal or environmental objectives, such as agriculture and biodiversity conservation.”


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Regulations and constraints on land use across Europe limit the availability of land for renewables development, McKinsey says, so “it is important for local communities, businesses, and regulators across Europe to act hand in hand and quickly to ensure that land for renewable-energy development does not become a bottleneck.”


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Be ready for government to eventually try to expand eminent domain for solar farm and wind turbine projects, and the true climate cultists will probably even try to force them onto perfectly good crop land. Sounds very smart with continued population growth and more and more people needing food.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25974 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:23 am to
Solar panels belong on buildings. Not on farmland.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 11:25 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
66706 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:26 am to
There are a whole bunch of open rooftops that can be used. We will end up starving our country or being beholden to a foreign country for our food if we continue to cover crop land with this stuff.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85118 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:31 am to
Land is a much more scarce commodity in Europe than the US.

The US has millions of acres of non cropland that could be used and ranchers will get paid quite well for it.

Also as technology grows, so will efficiency.

This feels very fear mongery.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
11587 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:32 am to
Putting panels on every roof, home and commercial buildings, would seem to solve the problem.

Most people I know with panels on their house always talk about producing more than they consume, with the rest getting piped back into the system.
Posted by madmaxvol
Infinity + 1 Posts
Member since Oct 2011
20928 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:58 am to
Exactly...Elon Musk is an idiot.

The best we can do right now is about 5 acres per megawatt generated by solar power. So a small coal fired plant (single boiler) puts out about 900 megawatts on right around 750 acres. That means that it would take 4,500 acres of solar panels to match that output, or 6 times as much land as a comparable coal-fired plant.

So for Musk to claim that you could power the entire US in a 100 square mile solar array is simply not true. It would be more like 61,000 square miles or an area a little larger than the entire state of Georgia.

Nuclear is the way to go. You can produce around 1,000 megawatts on 1 square mile. Small modular reactors will put out around 300 megawatts on around 7.5 acres or 0.12 square miles.


So, if we are really concerned about government overreach with imminent domain...we need to be pulling for the small modular nuclear sites to become our new normal for electrical power generation.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3391 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:59 am to
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Putting panels on every roof, home and commercial buildings, would seem to solve the problem.


this...

Puts the panels at the source of consumption thereby maximizing efficiency...

It is for this very reason the Govt probably won't do it...

Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15101 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:15 am to
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expand eminent domain

Like they already do for pipelines and transmission lines?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15101 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:17 am to
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Sold panels belong on buildings. Not on farmland.

Yep. Any maybe in the desert. IDGAF about solar farms in west texas or arizona.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
16820 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:26 am to
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This feels very fear mongery.


Fear Mongering?? From Oilprice.com about the problems with energy transition?? No way. Could never happen.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14658 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:26 am to
Just build a damn nuclear plant and it will produce more electricity and use a fraction of the land.

Tree huggers are going to have a conundrum when all this land gets used for solar farms that look like shite in 5 years.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37016 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:30 am to
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The US has millions of acres of non cropland that could be used and ranchers will get paid quite well for it.


And I guess beef will cease to be eaten in your socialist utopia.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30027 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:33 am to
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Nuclear is the way to go. You can produce around 1,000 megawatts on 1 square mile. Small modular reactors will put out around 300 megawatts on around 7.5 acres or 0.12 square miles.


I agree. In my opinion, nuclear combined with rooftop solar is the path forward for the next couple of generations, at minimum.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
41742 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:34 am to
Plenty of government land where solar and wind farms can be built. Also, Offer to rent land on Indian reservations, and the tribes can split the revenue, just like gambling.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
16820 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:35 am to
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Offer to rent land on Indian reservations, and the tribes can split the revenue, just like gambling.


Do they have a bunch of Indian reservations in Europe? That is what this article is emphasizing, right?
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85118 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:35 am to
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And I guess beef will cease to be eaten in your socialist utopia.


what...?

you realize oil wells and cattle exist side by side all over this country, right?

why would wind farms be any different?
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16373 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:36 am to
Renewable morons
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
15101 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:39 am to
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why would wind farms be any different?

They aren’t. Cows love the shade.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 9:40 am
Posted by GusMcRae
Deep in the heart...
Member since Oct 2008
3589 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:42 am to
Ummm, I don’t want to live in a world where half the surface area is covered with solar panels and windmills.

Man made climate change feels kind of fear mongery.
Posted by GusMcRae
Deep in the heart...
Member since Oct 2008
3589 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 9:43 am to
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Any maybe in the desert. IDGAF about solar farms in west texas or arizona.


I like the desert.
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