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Ford CEO came very close to saying the right thing about heavy EV batteries
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:32 am
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:32 am
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The race to cram heavier and heavier batteries into bigger and bigger electric vehicles hit a speed bump today when a major automaker CEO finally threw up his hands and asked why.
“I have no idea what’s going on in this industry right now,” Ford CEO Jim Farley said during his company’s capital markets event Monday. He referenced electric vehicles coming out with 450–500 miles of range, including “a three-row crossover” announced today that was likely the new electric Cadillac Escalade.
Higher ranges will necessitate bigger batteries, he noted, adding, “These batteries are huge.”
Farley is right. US automakers are relying on supersized batteries to power their equally supersized EVs — namely, all the electric trucks that will soon flood the US market. Car companies (perhaps rightly) assumed that the best way to sell America’s truck-loving population on plug-in power is to electrify a bunch of pickups. And big trucks need big batteries to justify big range to address anxiety any truck buyers may have about switching sides to electric.
The Rivian R1T truck and R1S SUV run on batteries as large as 135kWh. The Hummer EV’s 212kWh battery is heavier than a Honda Civic. Chevy just announced a higher range estimate for its forthcoming Silverado EV for a total of 450 miles on a single charge. That’s thanks to the 200kWh Ultium battery firing its electrons beneath the floorboards of this 8,000-pound behemoth. The Ram 1500 REV includes an option for a 229kWh battery for a targeted range of 500 miles.
This is not sustainable. Bigger batteries, longer range, heavier trucks... these are not the hallmarks of the sea change the auto industry is trying to sell us on. Its evidence in support of the old adage, “the more things change, the more they stay the same.” We’re swapping bad stuff, like tailpipe emissions, for other bad stuff, like everything involved in the mining, refining, and manufacturing of an EV battery.
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Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:38 am to rickgrimes
The batteries in your Mom’s “toys” are light.
That’s very close to me saying the right thing about her.
That’s very close to me saying the right thing about her.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 12:44 am
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:41 am to rickgrimes
Damn. I suspect this was still a calculated statement but it's interesting to see someone with any sway say it out loud. There is going to be a cavalcade of unexpected problems forcing these monstrosities to market so fat.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:41 am to rickgrimes
The mining for battery metals cause suffering of people who will never be able to afford electric cars.
The Independent
The Independent
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:50 am to Misnomer
What is crazy is that Tesla can do what other manufacturers can do with half the size batteries.
Speaks to how far ahead of a lead they developed
Speaks to how far ahead of a lead they developed
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:57 am to Misnomer
Those pictures tell a horrific truth. When will the people who supposedly care about black and impoverished people finally wake up?? This is cognitive dissonance, saving the earth with "green energy" mandates equals a nursing mother with her baby working in a rare earth's mine. Might at well just send them the money as aid like we used to, and stop exploiting their labor and resources for propaganda gains.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:06 am to Misnomer
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The mining for battery metals cause suffering of people who will never be able to afford electric cars.
Those same people been working like that and can never afford anything you buy.
The good news is they will be getting some really cool 2023 LSU Baseball championship shirts in the next few weeks.
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 1:12 am
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:39 am to Rize
Yea too bad Texas isn’t even good enough to have T shirts made for them. Such a shame
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:44 am to rickgrimes
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Chevy just announced a higher range estimate for its forthcoming Silverado EV for a total of 450 miles on a single charge. That’s thanks to the 200kWh Ultium battery firing its electrons beneath the floorboards of this 8,000-pound behemoth. The Ram 1500 REV includes an option for a 229kWh battery for a targeted range of 500 miles.
So more like 375 miles for the Chevy, and 425 for the Ram. And in 7 years, they can spend $20,000 to replace those oversized batteries.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:04 am to chadr07
Boo this man! Boooooo Rize
This post was edited on 5/23/23 at 4:45 am
Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:28 am to Shiftyplus1
These EVs and solar panels on homes are a fire fighters nightmare too.
FoxNews
FoxNews
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It can take four to five hours to extinguish a battery fire and after that, once it gets to a tow yard, they have had those fires reignite -- even two to three days afterward.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:29 am to rickgrimes
The reason our politicians are pushing EVs is because China owns most of the lithium and China pays our politicians.
The ONLY entity being benefitted by EVs are the owners of lithium.
The ONLY entity being benefitted by EVs are the owners of lithium.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 4:46 am to rickgrimes
Think roads in LA are in bad shape now…just wait until 8000 lb passenger vehicles make up a bigger percentage of traffic on residential streets
Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:03 am to tigerfive
quote:Dude no one cares about black people. Only time black people can make it to the news is if they are involved with some other race.
When will the people who supposedly care about black and impoverished people finally wake up??
Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:07 am to Rize
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Those same people been working like that and can never afford anything you buy.
The good news is they will be getting some really cool 2023 LSU Baseball championship shirts in the next few weeks
Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:18 am to rickgrimes
And in the mind of the environmentalists, the “solution” to this problem (heavy vehicles, massive unsustainable, dirty batteries) is for you to sacrifice your lifestyle for the “sake of the planet”
“You don’t really need a truck. You don’t really need a boat.”
This is all messsed up. Let’s just stick to energy-packed, plentiful hydrocarbons.
“You don’t really need a truck. You don’t really need a boat.”
This is all messsed up. Let’s just stick to energy-packed, plentiful hydrocarbons.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:42 am to rickgrimes
It's why EV's should pay more for their highway tax because of the added weight of the vehicles on the roads/bridges.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:44 am to rickgrimes
I keep waiting for these “next gen” batteries but they always seem 5yrs away
Toyota is going all in on Hydrogen Combustion engines. Obviously large scale hydrogen production will need to shift away from hydrocarbon drilling as well
Toyota is going all in on Hydrogen Combustion engines. Obviously large scale hydrogen production will need to shift away from hydrocarbon drilling as well
Posted on 5/23/23 at 5:47 am to rickgrimes
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That’s thanks to the 200kWh Ultium battery firing its electrons beneath the floorboards of this 8,000-pound behemoth.
Tell me not to cross any old low weight limit bridges in Louisiana. You could probably sink a pontoon bridge with that weight. They are going to have to add to those weight limit signs, no electric vehicles in addition to trucks over a certain weight.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 6:05 am to rickgrimes
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We’re swapping bad stuff, like tailpipe emissions, for other bad stuff, like everything involved in the mining, refining, and manufacturing of an EV battery.
It will be interesting to see the fallout when the first generation of these EVs reach end of life, both in resale market and disposal.
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