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Why not Ensminger?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:32 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:32 am
First post...be gentle.
I have read the board for several weeks now. It really seems that very few are happy with this promotion.
I really don't understand why? In the stint that he had as interim, did he not do a good job? Regardless of opponent, did he not do a good job? Regardless if he didn't beat Alabama, did he not do a good job overall?
Im really just wanting to know the reasons why everyone feels that this is the worst decision. (I know there are more flashy hires but "Flash" is not a reason to hire someone.)
Not looking to start an argument, I'm just looking to get a legit answer to all the hate.
I have read the board for several weeks now. It really seems that very few are happy with this promotion.
I really don't understand why? In the stint that he had as interim, did he not do a good job? Regardless of opponent, did he not do a good job? Regardless if he didn't beat Alabama, did he not do a good job overall?
Im really just wanting to know the reasons why everyone feels that this is the worst decision. (I know there are more flashy hires but "Flash" is not a reason to hire someone.)
Not looking to start an argument, I'm just looking to get a legit answer to all the hate.
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:37 am to shreveporttiger1035
Ask any school in the past twenty years who has not looked to him to head their OC role.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:38 am to shreveporttiger1035
I mean look around and just enter any thread having this very same debate
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:43 am to Geauxtexastyger
Again, I'm not asking other schools, I'm asking this board. What are the hard facts as to why you think he will not succeed?
Also, can you honestly say that no program has looked at him at all for an OC position?
Also, can you honestly say that no program has looked at him at all for an OC position?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:44 am to shreveporttiger1035
quote:
I really don't understand why? In the stint that he had as interim, did he not do a good job? Regardless of opponent, did he not do a good job? Regardless if he didn't beat Alabama, did he not do a good job overall?
If you ignore all context then you can argue that we never should have let Crowton, Cam, Stud, and Canada leave.
quote:
Im really just wanting to know the reasons why everyone feels that this is the worst decision. (I know there are more flashy hires but "Flash" is not a reason to hire someone.)
We hired a geriatric OC who hasn't guided an offense in 20 years and never guided a successful one that he was responsible for the entire year. That's bad
Especially when the head coach promised "the best coordinators in the country" to get himself the job he was woefully unqualified for
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:44 am to shreveporttiger1035
quote:
Also, can you honestly say that no program has looked at him at all for an OC position?
Yes
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:44 am to shreveporttiger1035
Welcome to the board, Derek.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:45 am to shreveporttiger1035
quote:
What are the hard facts as to why you think he will not succeed?
Maybe because the only other times he was an OC, a full 20 years ago, he failed.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:47 am to shreveporttiger1035
quote:
Also, can you honestly say that no program has looked at him at all for an OC position?
He was never reported as a candidate anywhere, and why wouldn’t he want to make more money?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:50 am to shreveporttiger1035
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:52 am to shreveporttiger1035
Part of the issue is the commitment that O made regarding coordinators when he took the job and the fact that LSU always seems to be all in when it comes to defense.
The other issue is the pure lack of any reasonable search process. No one formally interviewed, no real consideration to anyone that would bring a different perspective and actual successful skins on the wall with a real proven track record.
The third issue for me is that it is a lazy hire with little effort. I don't know how he is going to do. But I am tired of hearing how many yards we racked up against Missouri when he was the OC. Missouri? please.
The other issue is the pure lack of any reasonable search process. No one formally interviewed, no real consideration to anyone that would bring a different perspective and actual successful skins on the wall with a real proven track record.
The third issue for me is that it is a lazy hire with little effort. I don't know how he is going to do. But I am tired of hearing how many yards we racked up against Missouri when he was the OC. Missouri? please.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:58 am to texastigerr
quote:
Part of the issue is the commitment that O made regarding coordinators when he took the job and the fact that LSU always seems to be all in when it comes to defense.
The other issue is the pure lack of any reasonable search process. No one formally interviewed, no real consideration to anyone that would bring a different perspective and actual successful skins on the wall with a real proven track record.
The third issue for me is that it is a lazy hire with little effort. I don't know how he is going to do. But I am tired of hearing how many yards we racked up against Missouri when he was the OC. Missouri? please.
All of this, plus I feel betrayed by Orgeron's campaign promise of letting his coaches coach. I think when the bullets started flying, he panicked and reverted to his old ways.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:59 am to shreveporttiger1035
quote:
First post...be gentle.
Nope.
quote:
Why not Ensminger?
Since you can't look at the 1000000000 threads that have been started in the last few weeks, I'll give you a quick break down.
He hasn't been a full time OC in 20 years. His last two stints were both in the interim (auburn and LSU), both running someone else's offensive scheme.
From the production standpoint in 2016, LSU played 2 teams that had defenses in the top 50 in the 8 games Steve was interim OC. Care to take a guess which two they were? In those two games, LSU netted 10 points.
Fast forward to the 2018 schedule. LSU plays 6 teams that have defenses ranked in the top 50 for 2017 with 4 of them being in the top 15. The lowest ranked defenses they will face are Florida (31st) and Miami (38th) with Florida being an away game and Miami a neutral site game.
Still comfortable with Steve as the OC?
ETA: Also, in 2016, against the 2 teams ranked in the top 50 in total defense (Alabama and Florida in case you hadn't figured out the obvious) LSU netted 10 points.... AT HOME
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 11:21 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:59 am to shreveporttiger1035
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shreveporttiger1035
Why has no school hired Ensminger as an OC in 20 Years?
Why did Syracuse pass on Orgeron for head coach?
Because there are better options out there. That’s why.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 11:00 am to texastigerr
quote:
No one formally interviewed
How do we know this? Because some random on a message board said so?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 11:02 am to TigerFanatic99
quote:
How do we know this? Because some random on a message board said so?
They just fired Canada like last week. Of course they didn’t interview anyone. Get your head out of your arse.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 11:06 am to shreveporttiger1035
quote:
I have read the board for several weeks now. It really seems that very few are happy with this promotion.
I really don't understand why?
idk how you don't understand if you've been reading. Steve isn't the best option available, O promised to always get the best coordinators. It has been reported O will deal with running game, and O promised the fans he wouldn't meddle in the offense.
This has been repeated numerous times.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 11:07 am to shreveporttiger1035
quote:
Why not Ensminger?
You're asking the wrong question.
You don't ask "Why Not" when hiring. You ask "Why".
For example:
Why Sterlin Gilbert? -
His offense rankings:
2017 - #6
2016 - #16
2015 - #13
Why Tee Martin? -
2017 - #13
2016 - #20
Why Mike Yurchich? -
2017 - #2
2016 - #14
2015 - #22
See what I mean?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 11:09 am to TigerFanatic99
quote:
How do we know this? Because some random on a message board said so?
Because we had to promote from within. Do you honestly believe if they truly interviewed candidates, LSU, a top 5-10 job in the country, couldn't hire someone not already on staff?
To say yes to that is saying you think every reasonable option turned down working at LSU. That would be an indictment on Orgeron and the AD as well. It also means you believe LSU isn't a destination job for a coach. Do you believe that?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 11:15 am to Green Chili Tiger
quote:
You're asking the wrong question. You don't ask "Why Not" when hiring. You ask "Why". For example: Why Sterlin Gilbert? - His offense rankings: 2017 - #6 2016 - #16 2015 - #13 Why Tee Martin? - 2017 - #13 2016 - #20 Why Mike Yurchich? - 2017 - #2 2016 - #14 2015 - #22 See what I mean?
OP’s logic
“Well Steve could produce a top 10 offense. He hasn’t before but you never know until it happens. Just give him a chance.”
He could, just like I could theoretically have sex with Scarlet Johansson. Chances are very very slim.
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