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re: Was LSU's hiring of Curley Hallman the worst hiring in the..
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:07 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:07 pm to Ace Midnight
Archer was worse and so was Orgeron.
Hallman was just an incompetent drunk. O is well, O.
Archer left the team with literally NO talent when he left. At least Dinardo had some players to work with when he arrived.
Hallman was just an incompetent drunk. O is well, O.
Archer left the team with literally NO talent when he left. At least Dinardo had some players to work with when he arrived.
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Posted on 12/23/08 at 7:22 am to Original Bayou Boy
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LSU also played Miami during those years and would get mud stomped.
Point of order:
LSU played Miami once, in 1988(but did, in fact, get mud stomped). LSU had previously played Miami in 1969 and did not play them again until the Chicken Sammich Bowl in 2005. The above quote implies that LSU played them several times.
Y'all may now proceed.
This post was edited on 12/23/08 at 7:23 am
Posted on 12/23/08 at 9:22 am to ShermanTxTiger
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Hallman got fired a the Muscles Shoals HC. Case closed.
Yeah, but that Muscle Shoals job is a tough gig.
Posted on 12/23/08 at 9:26 am to Ace Midnight
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Once Dinardo had his own people..it all went downhill again.
That's another big myth - Dinardo recruited fine
Solid. Dinardo's problem was NOT talent. The program went downhill under him when his great assistant hires left and he replaced them with jokes. Dinardo did bring back the magic after 6 straight losing seasons in a big way. We won 7, 10, then 9 games his first 3 years here, but when his assistants got hired away and he tried to replace them with bottom-basement hires, we tanked. The talent was stocked when Saban got here, he just filled it up even more.
Posted on 12/23/08 at 10:34 am to bruintiger
No, it was not Curley's coaching that was bad. The job went to his ego! Archer was the worst. Some of the horrible things he did with Harvey. And, in front of the whole team. He was a DB coach at best. Never will be any more.
Posted on 12/23/08 at 10:46 am to 58Flash
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He was a DB coach at best. Never will be any more.
(You mean LB coach?)
Posted on 12/23/08 at 10:54 am to Ace Midnight
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The cupboard wasn't exactly empty. Just a few players from Dinardo's last two signing classes from which "The One" greatly benefited:
PK John Corbello, Lafayette, La. (St. Thomas More)
DB/RB Domanick Davis, Breaux Bridge, La. (Breaux Bridge)
TE Eric Edwards, Monroe, La. (Ouachita Christian)
LB Treverance Faulk, Lafayette, La. (Lafayette)
LB Bradie James,West Monroe, La. (West Monroe)
DB Prentis Jenkins,Vidalia, La. (Vidalia HS/Holmes JC)
P Donnie Jones, Baton Rouge, La. (Catholic)
DE Chad Lavalais, Marksville, La. (Marksville)
DB Norman LeJeune, Brusly, La. (Brusly)
WR Jerel Myers, Houston, Texas (Madison)
OL Rodney Reed,West Monroe, La. (West Monroe)
DL Melvin Richey, Decatur, Ga. (SW DeKalb HS/Berkshire Prep)
RB LaBrandon Toefield, Independence, La. (Independence)
DL Kenderick Allen, Bogalusa, La. (Bogalusa)
TE Jason Baggett, Baytown, Texas (Lee)
DL Byron Dawson, Shreveport, La. (Evangel)
DL Howard Green, Donaldsonville, La. (Donaldsonville)
DB Damien James, Carencro, La. (Carencro)
DL Chad Lavalais, Marksville, La. (Marksville)
LB Jeremy Lawrence, Ferriday, La. (Ferriday)
RB Josh Reed, Rayne, La. (Rayne)
WR Reginald Robinson, Shreveport, La. (Fair Park)
OT Rob Sale, Monroe, La. (Neville)
Oh, you mean the 2001 SEC and 2003 SEC & NC teams? Yeah, the cupboard was far from bare.
Posted on 12/23/08 at 10:55 am to 58Flash
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He was a DB coach at best. Never will be any more.
As Ace pointed out previously in this thread, after leaving LSU, Mike Archer went on to coach LBs for a Superbowl team and he was also DC at Kentucky. Apparently there was/is some talent there. Hallman.......not so much.
Posted on 12/23/08 at 11:02 am to bgtiger
We averaged 32.7 points per game in '98 ( I believe) and lost seven of those games. How many 36-33 games did anyone need to see to understand that it was the defensive coaching that buried DiNardo? He became paranoid, held on to Lou, and lost his job. His hiring of coaches and consolidation of power in every aspect of the program while in his paranoid state was very different from how Les has handled things. It is because of that obvious difference that I don't understand the Miles=DiNardo mindset displayed across this board..
Posted on 12/23/08 at 11:02 am to Indiana Tiger
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Curley wasn't even the worst hire in LSU's history. Archer was the worst for LSU. Believe it or not, Curley actually improved the program. It's just that Archer's destruction was so thorough you couldn't tell.
epic :FAIL:!!!!!!
Posted on 12/23/08 at 11:04 am to 58Flash
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And, in front of the whole team.
care to explain?
(be careful, this is rhetorical.......I am about to debunk you)
This post was edited on 12/23/08 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/23/08 at 11:08 am to prplhze2000
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Archer left the team with literally NO talent when he left.
....2 top 10 recruiting classes ('88 & '89) says something different.
Posted on 12/23/08 at 11:14 am to CharlesLSU
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epic :FAIL:!!!!!!
Thank G-d for you Charles - someone else to join the quixotic fight against ignorance on the Rant.
Posted on 12/23/08 at 11:15 am to bgtiger
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He became paranoid, held on to Lou, and lost his job.
It reminded me of the Richard Nixon administration.
Posted on 12/23/08 at 11:22 am to CharlesLSU
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2 top 10 recruiting classes ('88 & '89) says something different.
How many of those recruits panned out? Recruiting rankings were not reliable back then. Guy's like Tyrone Malone, Chad Loup and a QB from Fla who's name is escaping me.
Perhaps Archer turned out to be a better assistant caoch, but recruiting was better under Hallman. There was more talent on campus when Dinardo got here than when Hallamn did.
Posted on 12/23/08 at 11:22 am to Ace Midnight
Pretty much. 
Posted on 12/23/08 at 11:55 am to H-Town Tiger
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Perhaps Archer turned out to be a better assistant caoch, but recruiting was better under Hallman. There was more talent on campus when Dinardo got here than when Hallamn did.
He was an excellent, if not outstanding, assistant coach before (under Arnsparger). And there was a difference in talent levels, but, in hindsight, it was slight, and probably more "quantity of quality" which gave Dinardo a little more room to work. The differences are that Archer and Dinardo were relatively bright guys, and each brought a certain minimum level of competence. Hallman was this doofus and just lucked up and was at Southern Miss at the same time Brett Favre was there. How much effort did that take? (Like Pat Riley at the Lakers in the 80s - what did have to do? Show up with some basketballs and a suit, and say, "Magic, Big Man, Guys, go win us a basketball game.")
If losing was an art form, Hallman's time at LSU was the "Mona Lisa" of college football.
Per Drexyl's suggestion, I am copyrighting this post, (C) Ace Midnight, 2008, all rights reserved.
Posted on 12/25/08 at 10:57 am to Ace Midnight
Given the fact that LSU passed on candidates like future great college coaches who were interested (Steve Spurrier while at Duke) and then-name NFL coaches who were interested (Sam Rutigliano) to cave in to pressure from the players to promote a never-before and never-again HC to the LSU HC position, who then took what Bill Arnsparger built and turned it into shite, I'd say Mike Archer is a strong candidate for worst LSU hire in modern history.
This post was edited on 12/25/08 at 10:58 am
Posted on 12/25/08 at 11:11 am to ffhouston
Remember JD hired those clowns.
Posted on 12/26/08 at 7:37 pm to Ace Midnight
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Was LSU's hiring of Curley Hallman the worst hiring in the..
history of college football?
That & ND hiring Gerry Faust right out of high school have to rank 1 & 1A.
Oh, yeah, the Webels skip-promotion of O from DL coach to HC ranks right there with those 2.
This post was edited on 12/26/08 at 7:40 pm
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