re: There is only one coaching hire that would put fear in the SEC west

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Not until after they started to lose

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??? That's a great argument for how great a coach Herman is.

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6-2 only loses to Houston and Ohio St. #12 in the Country

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What is OU's best win in your opinion?

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and he has recruited better than the previous coach.

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He has been at Houston for too short a time to make this determination. 5-star Ed Oliver didn't hurt this year but he can't hire a recruits high school coach or have the player's brother already on the team every year.

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I think his team has lost focus and it's hard to keep a team focused when they know you're gone next year

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A lot of coaches have done it in the past. If TH can't do it he should stay where he is at and try to concentrate on winning with that team.

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Herman has 3 loses in 2 years

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He has 2 losses in 3 games this year. Including a loss to SMU.

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I am not saying he is perfect but saying you don't get why people are high on him is fricking stupid. If you can't see the upside in Herman, who can you?

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What's his upside. To lose to two or three little league teams in his next four games? How the hell would I know what his upside is? I don't know, who can I, I find it hard to determine a person's upside. Especially when I see their football team play on TV - never. Their are usually real teams playing on TV the same time as UH.

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What's his upside. To lose to two or three little league teams in his next four games? How the hell would I know what his upside is? I don't know, who can I, I find it hard to determine a person's upside. Especially when I see their football team play on TV - never. Their are usually real teams playing on TV the same time as UH.

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Ask a few questions:

1) Has he proven that he can successfully run a P5 program?
2) Has he had success at other stops/other positions?
3) Does he recruit well?
4) What "coaching tree" does he come from? Do other coaches from that tree tend to have success?
5) Do his QBs look retarded on the field?

Why do y'all worry so much about what other schools think? So many people are so worked up about Orgeron getting other offers or who is going to "scare" them the most. Who the hell cares about that?

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1) Has he proven that he can successfully run a P5 program?

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No, he sure hasn't

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2) Has he had success at other stops/other positions?

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More like, have the head coaches at other programs he has coached under had success?

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3) Does he recruit well?

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Don't know. Don't remember seeing him on the top of the 24/7 top recruiters list.

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4) What "coaching tree" does he come from? Do other coaches from that tree tend to have success?

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You making a point for Coach O or Herman?

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5) Do his QBs look retarded on the field?

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Do most college QB's look retarded? Is this something that only he can do.



6) Did he lose to Navy and SMU? Two teams that don't have near the talent as his team.

7) Has he been a HC long enough for anyone to actually be able to gauge how good a HC he may be at a P5 school if he ever gets the chance?

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that he gets absolutely no mention at other programs should be an indicator that people in the know do not view him as a candidate that could win a high level.

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In the know? Lol

First off, nobody knows for sure how any new coach will do.

Secondly, you still didn't answer my question. Why do you care who other schools offer? Tons of bad hires are made every single year.

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??? That's a great argument for how great a coach Herman is.

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No, you asked if LSU players ever had to deal with rumors of their coach leaving. Outside 2007 (when they had a championship to play for and Les shut the rumors down in a big way) they have not had to deal with that. Follow the conversation.

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What is OU's best win in your opinion?

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Idk, they haven't really played anyone, but they are undefeated in their conference which isn't a "little league" conference as you would say. They have a shot to win out. You didn't make the point that OU isn't good this year so frick off.

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A lot of coaches have done it in the past. If TH can't do it he should stay where he is at and try to concentrate on winning with that team.

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Name 5 undefeated coaches in the last 10 years who names were being floated to big time schools mid season. I don't think 5 is a lot so if there is a lot of them you shouldn't have any trouble.

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He has 2 losses in 3 games this year. Including a loss to SMU.

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Well he has 5 wins in 5 games before that, and 1 win in 1 game after that, and since he has played 9 games and is 7-2, i think that matters.

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What's his upside.

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His upside is the next Urban Meyer. Thats what upside is, best possible scenario.

You can talk shite about Tom Herman all day, but he is winning way more than he loses. If you can't say who you like better than him, frick off, because you aren't trying to have a conversation, you are trying to be a douche, or just naturally a douche.

you scared baw

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You can talk shite about Tom Herman all day, but he is winning way more than he loses. If you can't say who you like better than him, frick off, because you aren't trying to have a conversation, you are trying to be a douche, or just naturally a douche.

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I don't understand why anyone on this board is dogging any of the candidates. You can find pros and cons in all of them, but there is no way Herman is not a quality coach.

Herman was a large part of OSU's staff his few years in Columbus. However, he spent a lot of his time up in the coaching box, which is different than being the head man down on the field.

He has proven he can get his teams up for the big games like OU and FSU. He has a headscratching loss this year (SMU) but his loss to Navy was on the road in wet conditions and last year was without their starting QB.

He isn't losing control of his team as much as his team knows he isn't going to be there next year, so the bond isn't as strong. That's natural.

I think Herman is going to be really good. It's impossible to know if that means 10-2 average or 12-1 average. It is not smart for any teams to fire a coach who wins 80% of his games unless you can guarantee a sure fire guy who will win more (there aren't many). Why I disagree with both UGA and LSU firing their coaches in the last 12 months