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re: There is only one coaching hire that would put fear in the SEC west
Posted on 11/3/16 at 2:58 pm to Buckeye06
Posted on 11/3/16 at 2:58 pm to Buckeye06
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It is not smart for any teams to fire a coach who wins 80% of his games unless you can guarantee a sure fire guy who will win more (there aren't many). Why I disagree with both UGA and LSU firing their coaches in the last 12 months
Have you looked at miles' conference record? It's not about 80% wins it's about:
2011 LSU 13–1 8–0 1st (Western) L BCS NCG†
2012 LSU 10–3 6–2 T–2nd (Western) L Chick-fil-A
2013 LSU 10–3 5–3 3rd (Western) W Outback
2014 LSU 8–5 4–4 T–4th (Western) L Music City
2015 LSU 9–3 5–3 T–3rd (Western) W Texas
2016 LSU 2–2 1–1
Tied for 4th or even 3rd in the west won't get you champions and that's what is demanded of an LSU HC. Getting to championships and being utterly destroyed because of poor offense and planning won't cut it either. So instead of saying we fired a guy with 80% win record you should take a look at the real reasons he was fired as mentioned above.
Eta: if urban meyer had that same type of record at tOSU year in and year out over the past 5 years how much longer do you think they keep him, or the fans are tired of him?
If he couldn't beat the teams he needed to beat would tOSU keep him because he was able to beat all the inferior teams all the time? I doubt it, and that's the point.
I would be glad to do a straight up trade Urban for Les or O fyi. Let me know if we can arrange that.
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 3:11 pm
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Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:05 pm to Buckeye06
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Why I disagree with both UGA and LSU firing their coaches in the last 12 months
Ask yourself this, you want your buckeyes playing LSU under Les or Big O?
Your answer is the reason he was fired.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:14 pm to Tiger Ree
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#51 - Houston
#76 - SMU
#124 - Navy
That gap is much closer than this one
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1 - Bama
#3 - LSU
#5 - FSU
#51 - Houston
but what ultimately is your point? That any coach that loses to Navy should never be considered for a job like LSU? That if he lost to Navy at UH he would lose to them at LSU? Judging a coach on individual games is beyond asinine.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:18 pm to Buckeye06
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It is not smart for any teams to fire a coach who wins 80% of his games unless you can guarantee a sure fire guy who will win more (there aren't many). Why I disagree with both UGA and LSU firing their coaches in the last 12 months
so you just let the existing coach continue on as the program atrophies and falls even further? Just sit around and say, oh well 14-10 in the SEC and 2-7 vs Bama, Arkansas and OM is acceptable because well we can't "guarantee" the next guy will do better? You are correct, there are no guarantees and it could back fire, but LSU had peaked and was declining under Miles, it was time for a change.
Same with UGA. I think they made a mistake going with Smart because he was a UGA guy but Richt had done all he was gonna do at UGA.
Were you upset when OSU fired Cooper? Cause he was pretty much Richt and minus 2007 Miles.
ETA: To follow up on a point made above, the 80% wins is not all its cracked up to be. In the SEC we play 4 OOC games, LSU generally plays at least 1 decent or P5 team (though trust me, that wasn't Miles choice) and UGA plays GT every year, so that leaves 3 rent-a-wins. Take those out and your 9-3 or 8-4 regular season is really 6-3 or 5-4.
This post was edited on 11/3/16 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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but what ultimately is your point?
You are the one who said:
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Houston is a lot closer to Navy. They are in the same conference have similar resources and talent. If you DQ a coach because he lost to Navy at UH you are either a moron or someone that doesn't understand football. You tell us.
LSU is 3, Houston is 51 and Navy is 124. My point is that Houston is 48 spots behind LSU and Navy is 73 spots behind Houston. Could you really not figure that out after you were the one who asked the question in the first place?
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That any coach that loses to Navy should never be considered for a job like LSU?
If he coaches a team that is much more talented than Navy, which he does, then yes.
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That if he lost to Navy at UH he would lose to them at LSU?
Never said that. Was just pointing out how bad his losses to SMU and Navy are. It would be like LSU getting shut-out by Vanderbilt 40-0.
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Judging a coach on individual games is beyond asinine.
Agree, that is why I am looking at the games his team has sucked in that lead to his team going from being undefeated and ranked #6 in the country to where they are now. Not ranked and defeated.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:48 pm to H-Town Tiger
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so you just let the existing coach continue on as the program atrophies and falls even further?
Don't mean to answer for the other guy, but do you even read posts before you make stupid replies?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 3:55 pm to Tiger Ree
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That any coach that loses to Navy should never be considered for a job like LSU?
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If he coaches a team that is much more talented than Navy, which he does, then yes.
so I guess you wouldn't want Saben since he lost to ULM. Every coach looses a game every now and then to less talented teams. In Herman case it's pretty explainable. His team knows he is leaving at the end of the season. Part of his deal is being tight with the team. He even kisses them before games. His kisses aren't the same now that they know he is leaving them.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 4:08 pm to boxcar willie
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Saben since he lost to ULM
Saban lost to ULM in his first year at Alabama. It's not like Alabama was ranked in the top 10 at the time. The team with or without Saban also didn't go 13-1 the previous year.
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In Herman case it's pretty explainable. His team knows he is leaving at the end of the season.
This makes him a worse coach in my eyes. If you can't get your 6th ranked undefeated team ready to play Navy and SMU you have serious problems.
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He even kisses them before games. His kisses aren't the same now that they know he is leaving them.
Tiger Tracker?
Posted on 11/3/16 at 4:17 pm to boxcar willie
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it's pretty explainable. His team knows he is leaving at the end of the season
This point is a reason NOT TO HIRE HIM. I like herman as candidate. however, making excuses and supporting a team quitting on their coach is incomprehensible.
Tulane didn't quit on Bowden
Utah didn't quit on Meyer
Cinn. didn't quit on Kelley
Louisville didn't quit on Strong
Arkansas state didn't quit on freeze or Malzahn
Colorado State didn't quit on Mac
Boise didn't quit on Nutt or Hawkins
Please stop with the team knows he's leaving so they don't play hard. That is the worst point you can make to support a coach.
What happened at half time of central florida? they decided to play for a half? It's just doesn't make sense.
The worrisome part of why Herman's team isn't playing well down the stretch is his practice philosophy. He can be wearing them out like Les was. Tired legs.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 4:40 pm to dos crystal
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The worrisome part of why Herman's team isn't playing well down the stretch is his practice philosophy
Interesting. I hadn't heard this before. Any link i could see to read up on it. Would be interested to read more about that as a potential issue in his coaching philosophy.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 4:42 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tiger Tracker?
As per your request. Let me lay down one of my classic tracks:
Posted on 11/3/16 at 4:44 pm to Tiger Ryno
quote:Here we go again with this dumb shite. One sheep 'bah's' it and all the others follow. If only there were a blind shepard and a steep cliff in sight...
Jimbo is a Miles of a different color
Posted on 11/3/16 at 6:25 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Herman is numero uno and LSU will regret every day passing on him for the next 20 years.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:06 pm to BayouBengals03
with all the flaws of Fisher, Herman, and O, Fleck is looking better and better every day.
They wouldn't fear a Fleck hire AT FIRST, but they would learn to fear him. He brings the whole package. Really he has much more head coaching experience than Herman or Coach O and coaching experience at W. Kentucky isn't that far off from coaching experience gained at Houston as people want to make out that it is. He really is the young gun who checks off all the boxes. The next Saban in the making, only younger and more energetic and with more upside than even Saban or Meyer. You get him and maybe you could flip the balance of power in the SEC west. NOne of those other 3 are going to do that (other than maybe Herman)
They wouldn't fear a Fleck hire AT FIRST, but they would learn to fear him. He brings the whole package. Really he has much more head coaching experience than Herman or Coach O and coaching experience at W. Kentucky isn't that far off from coaching experience gained at Houston as people want to make out that it is. He really is the young gun who checks off all the boxes. The next Saban in the making, only younger and more energetic and with more upside than even Saban or Meyer. You get him and maybe you could flip the balance of power in the SEC west. NOne of those other 3 are going to do that (other than maybe Herman)
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:09 pm to boxcar willie
I wouldn't want Saban because he had zero loyalty and doesn't care about his players.
He wins games. But I would pass.
He wins games. But I would pass.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 7:16 pm to Tiger Tracker
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Interesting. I hadn't heard this before. Any link i could see to read up on it. Would be interested to read more about that as a potential issue in his coaching philosophy.
And this spring, Houston suffered through more live hitting in practice than ever before. Malveaux estimates there were far more than 1,000 live repetitions, exceeding any previous spring.
Posted on 11/3/16 at 8:56 pm to Tiger Ryno
But what can O do if he gets a quality OC? Don't underestimate what O can do! This is not a Les Miles & Cam Cameron situation! O will do what it takes to win- he is not like Miles, glued to his 1975 offense...
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