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re: There is only one coaching hire that would put fear in the SEC west
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:10 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:10 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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but would be a disaster for public perception so it wont happen.
I know
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:20 am to El Magnifico
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Chip Kelly.
Yeah because he really put the scare in LSU and Auburn when they matched up
LSU did beat Oregon up but that Auburn/Oregon game was incredibly close.
I don't know if Chip would be a fit at LSU but I think most people would argue his history in college overall shows he wins - often while competing against more talented teams.
Like I said, I don't know if he would be a fit. He also doesn't do a great job of selling himself to the public - he seems to have the verbal skills of a Bellichick and the physical presence of a blob fish. But if he succeeded, he might succeed at an incredibly high level with more talented players.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:29 am to Clockwatcher68
quote:This is from last year but it says the Florida State OC, DC, and OL coach all made $583,000. Jimbo makes 5.25M. thats 6.4M for HC, OC, and DC.
It's my understanding that Fisher has been handcuffed by FSU in terms of what he is allowed to spend on his coordinators and staff.
we paid 7.1 this year for the same 3 (4.3 for miles, 1.5 for cameron, 1.3 for Aranda) so its not like we were off by some huge amount.
people act like money is no object but that's because its not their money. if this were true our recruiting budget wouldn't be so far behind bamas.
if we go after Fisher we'll likely have to pay him around 6.5, plus his 3M buyout. we also need to lock down Aranda which would mean a raise to at least 1.6 (chavis makes 1.55, steele makes 1.4). we're already at 8.1M now and we haven't even hired an OC.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:31 am to TheBob
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Tom Herman's players would run through a fricking wall for him. I don't see that happening with Jimbo. I don't see a disciplined team when watching FSU.
Just because the weird dude kisses his male players doesn't mean they would run through a wall for him. They couldn't even run through SMU. They may be able to put a couple scratches in some rice paper.
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But Tom Herman lost to Navy and Utah so throw all of that out the fricking window.
I agree. Never understood the love for him in the first place.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:33 am to molsusports
I think a Herman with LSU personal would be a match for Saban and Bama and would present much more of a worry than a fisher hire would. Fishers type offense plays right into what Bamas defense loves to face. Fisher is just recycling what doesn't work against Bama.
A fresh young energetic coach with modern ideas on offense at LSU would definitely shake up the SEC.
A fresh young energetic coach with modern ideas on offense at LSU would definitely shake up the SEC.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:39 am to MastrShake
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1.5 for cameron, 1.3 for Aranda) so its not like we were off by some huge amount.
For a person going from 5M to 5.75 or 6M isn't that big of a jump in lifestyle. Going from 583K to 1.5 or 1.3 M is.
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people act like money is no object but that's because its not their money. if this were true our recruiting budget wouldn't be so far behind bamas
it's relative, but coaching salaries and recruiting budget are 2 different things. Everyone compares our budget to Bama, but Tennessee often has the biggest budget. The reason is not that they are willing to spend more and that LSU is pinching pennies, but simply, we have more talent close by. It is cheaper to go from BR to NOLA, NELA and even Houston than for Tenn to get to talent.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:49 am to Tiger Ryno
I doubt it. Mullen part 2
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:52 am to boxcar willie
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I think a Herman with LSU personal would be a match for Saban and Bama
Houston with Houston talent couldn't beat SMU. How the frick could he beat Bama even if he had equal talent?
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A fresh young energetic coach with modern ideas on offense at LSU would definitely shake up the SEC.
Yeah, like he has the American Conference teams running scared.
Navy 4-1
Tulsa 3-1
Houston 4-2
SMU 2-2
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:02 am to Tiger Ree
Sorry you're stupid. Sucks to go through life that way.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:16 am to Tiger Ryno
I agree with you 100%.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:27 am to Tiger Ryno
Opinions, opinions, opinions
You honesty don't know how the hell everything will play out... just enjoy the ride
You honesty don't know how the hell everything will play out... just enjoy the ride
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:42 am to TheBob
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Sorry you're stupid. Sucks to go through life that way.
That was a lucid, intelligent, well thought out counter to my post. I'm convinced. I am now on the Herman bandwagon. Thanks for setting me straight. I can't believe I didn't realize this before.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:48 am to Tiger Ryno
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There is only one coaching hire that would put fear in the SEC wes
Led mighty Houston to two close losses to Navy and SMU. I'm sure Saban and then rest of the West are pondering retirement before The Mighty Herman hits the SEC West.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 11:57 am to Tiger Ryno
Jimbo + Aranda 
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:07 pm to mikrit54
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Led mighty Houston to two close losses to Navy and SMU. I'm sure Saban and then rest of the West are pondering retirement before The Mighty Herman hits the SEC West.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:10 pm to Tiger Ree
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Just because the weird dude kisses his male players doesn't mean they would run through a wall for him. They couldn't even run through SMU. They may be able to put a couple scratches in some rice paper.
They ran through Oklahoma when they weren't reading about how their coach was gone the next year.
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I agree. Never understood the love for him in the first place.
Beat FSU and Oklahoma who were top 10 teams at the time. Beat 4 ranked teams at the end of last year
went 13-1 in his first year of head coach.
The year before that he was an OC of a team that beat Bama in the playoffs.
Coaches under a respected HC.
What isn't to get.
Is there a coach out there who hasn't had a few weird losses?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 12:52 pm to mikrit54
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Led mighty Houston to two close losses to Navy and SMU
SMU wasn't close. The juggernaut in Dallas known as SMU kicked their arse up and down the field.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:02 pm to SammyTiger
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They ran through Oklahoma when they weren't reading about how their coach was gone the next year.
That is my point exactly. rumors caused them to suck. What about the LSU players? Was there a rumor they were going to change coaches?
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Beat FSU and Oklahoma who were top 10 teams at the time. Beat 4 ranked teams at the end of last year
Lost to Connecticut, Navy and SMU. Feel better? How is OU doing this year? How did FSU end last season, what 4-3 and have started this season 5-3.
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went 13-1 in his first year of head coach.
What the frick is going on in his second year? Next year the previous coach's players will be all but gone. How will he do then?
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The year before that he was an OC of a team that beat Bama in the playoffs.
Urban Meyer's team beat Alabama not Tom Herman. Tom lost to SMU while gaining 303 total yards on offense. He is an offensive coach. What happened?
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Is there a coach out there who hasn't had a few weird losses?
How about the coach LSU just fired? He didn't lose to teams like Houston has.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:28 pm to Tiger Ree
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How about the coach LSU just fired? He didn't lose to teams like Houston has.
of all the dumb arguments against a coach This one against Herman is the absolute worst.
The coach LSU just fired wasn't coaching Houston or teams with Houston like resources. But losing to Arkansas in 2014 after BB was 0-14 in the SEC is arguably worse than HOUSTON (please note Houston is not LSU) losing to Navy a ranked team on the road.
When he was at Ok St, in his 1st year as a HC in fact he did lose to Southern Miss. Ok St losing to USM is worse than UH losing to UConn.. his 2nd year at OSU, also his 2nd year as a HC he lost to La Tech.
Of course Nick Saban lost to UAB while AT LSU. That is waaaay worse than UH losing to a ranked team on the road. and he lost to ULM while at Alabama.
So can we please quit with the assinine, short sighting incredible dumb argument about losing to Navy and SMU? There are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of Tom Herman at a big program like LSU with out stupid, meaningless arguments of cherry picking particular games. I mean do you think because he lost to Navy (ranked team on the road) at UH, that he'd do nothing but lose to teams like that at LSU?
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 1:56 pm to Tiger Ree
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That is my point exactly. rumors caused them to suck. What about the LSU players? Was there a rumor they were going to change coaches?
Not until after they started to lose. Les had full control over his job till LSU looked like a mess on the field. Last year was there a rumor Les was leaving the team before the Alabama game? No. and leaving vs being fired is different. Teams tend to rally around their coach if outside forces are pushing him out. Vs tuning out a coach who is going to bail on them at the end of the year.
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How is OU doing this year
6-2 only loses to Houston and Ohio St. #12 in the Country
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How did FSU end last season,
10-3 #14 in the final rankings after Houston beat them in their Boel game.
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What the frick is going on in his second year? Next year the previous coach's players will be all but gone. How will he do then?
He is 6-2. And he won't be there next year. The previous coaches players lost for the previous coach and he has recruited better than the previous coach.
I think his team has lost focus and it's hard to keep a team focused when they know you're gone next year. Same thing happened to Fuente at Memphis.
Herman has 3 loses in 2 years. After taking over from a coach with a losing record. Urban's team beat Bama but Herman was the OC. He was the QB coach who got a third stronger ready to play. He was a big part of that team.
I am not saying he is perfect but saying you don't get why people are high on him is fricking stupid. If you can't see the upside in Herman, who can you?
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