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Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:08 am to TxTiger82
quote:Disagree. He was surfing the Saban wave and it finally crashed on the beach. He CANNOT coach under his own power. Why is this so hard to see and accept?
Game passed him by.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:16 am to truthbetold
Guys, Les Miles has no intention of coaching while still getting paid from LSU. Why would anyone in their right mind work for free?
He is however contractually obligated to make a reasonable effort to find suitable employment, which is why you occasionally see his name pop up even though he will never work while still collecting buyout from LSU.
Buyout is offset by any future employment, so unless they’re paying him more than the buyout the math don’t work... no one works for free, no one with a brain at least.
He is however contractually obligated to make a reasonable effort to find suitable employment, which is why you occasionally see his name pop up even though he will never work while still collecting buyout from LSU.
Buyout is offset by any future employment, so unless they’re paying him more than the buyout the math don’t work... no one works for free, no one with a brain at least.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 9:18 am
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:01 am to Lsuhoohoo
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He's 64 years old and got fired because the game passed him by and he refused to adapt his outdated style of play.
This, had he shown some flexibility like Saban, he would still be coaching at LSU.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:02 am to tigerpawl
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Disagree. He was surfing the Saban wave and it finally crashed on the beach. He CANNOT coach under his own power. Why is this so hard to see and accept?
Except he was more successful at LSU than Saban was. Saban didn't inherit an empty cupboard here either, he had plenty NFL talent on his 2000 roster that Gerry had brought in. The thing that hurt Miles more than anything is the fact that Saban became the best coach in football after he went to Bama. If you're in his division, it's kinda hard to get to the title game. Not everyone gets a free ride to the 'ship without even winning their division.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:12 am to Fat Bastard
quote:He simply has to interview somewhere, he doesn't have to apply to every possible opening.
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he’s not actively looking.
again, then go tell Joe that BS. that voids buyout.
So let's say he has some ties to Bob over at Buttfrick State:
he drops in and talks about the family with Bob a little while. Bob writes a note saying Les "interviewed", Les gets another year of his buyout.
Again, there's nothing in his old contract that says he would have to take any position offered him from any D1 school.
If he does take a position somewhere, he does still get LSU money to make up the difference, unless they pay more than his buyout.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:21 am to truthbetold
Makes me sad.
By all accounts a great, stand up guy who wants to do things the right way, but the game seems to have passed him.
Hell give him a show with some other coaches on the SEC Network.
By all accounts a great, stand up guy who wants to do things the right way, but the game seems to have passed him.
Hell give him a show with some other coaches on the SEC Network.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:31 am to bayourougebengal
quote:After Saban did all the heavy lifting and created a talent magnet. Saban handed him a championship program on a silver platter. Miles left it in shambles. Take the blinders off. Do you honestly think Miles could have taken a 3-8 team to the mountaintop? Gimme a break.
Except he was more successful at LSU than Saban was.
I don't have a man-crush on Saban, but don't go heaping undeserved accolades on a mediocre coach. To think Miles was the only coach to do what he did on the heels of a Sabanized program is wishful thinking. And I guess we'll just ignore the fact that Miles was there 7 years longer than Saban. Ludicrous.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:36 am to truthbetold
Les would be a decent hire for Moo State. He could recruit enough of MS and LA to keep them relevant.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:59 am to tigerpawl
quote:I'm not grading him on number of wins. I'm grading winning %, so the 7 extra years looks good for my argument. Saban was very good, not great, at LSU. He's a completely different coach now and you know it.
And I guess we'll just ignore the fact that Miles was there 7 years longer than Saban. Ludicrous.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:07 am to bayourougebengal
quote:Even Saban will concede that coaching at a program that already won a zillion NC's gave him a leg up. But the difference between Saban and Miles is that Saban continued the winning ways. Count the crystal.
Saban was very good, not great, at LSU. He's a completely different coach now and you know it.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:13 am to tigerpawl
Man crush confirmed
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:31 am to truthbetold
Would rather fire Joe A and hire Les for AD.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:52 am to tigerpawl
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After Saban did all the heavy lifting and created a talent magnet. Saban handed him a championship program on a silver platter. Miles left it in shambles. Take the blinders off. Do you honestly think Miles could have taken a 3-8 team to the mountaintop? Gimme a break.
Saban left Miles with a solid roster, but good Lord, how many top programs fall off the face of the Earth after a highly successful coach moves on or retires. Pretty much all of them. LSU didn't. Then you completely disregard that Miles put together the 2011 team.
And he didn't take Oklahoma State to the mountaintop, but he did an absolutely phenomenal job rebuilding that program. From 1989-2000, Ok St had one winning season. Miles took over in 2001, and went 4-7 and then took them to 3 straight bowls before moving on to LSU in 2005. He beat top 5 Oklahoma back to back years which was quite an accomplishment considering the state of the program and he won Big 12 COY.
The game had obviously passed him by at the end of his tenure, but don't try to revise history and say he wasn't a capable coach when that was very clearly not the case. LSU will be extremely lucky to enjoy the success we had under prime Les again in the near future. It really shows the lack of intelligence of LSU fans that considered him a buffoon and wanted him fired from day one. These are the same people that think anyone could have done what Les did after Saban despite programs like Texas, Miami, USC, Florida, etc. proving it takes someone who knows what they are doing to keep their program performing at an elite level.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:00 pm to tigerpawl
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Disagree. He was surfing the Saban wave and it finally crashed on the beach. He CANNOT coach under his own power. Why is this so hard to see and accept?
No offense intended but this is absurd.
First of all in his last full season he won 9 games, something people are over the moon about these days for some reason.
We saw Larry Coker get handed the best CFB team of all time and have it all crash down in the course of 5 years.
By Miles' fifth year all of Saban's players were gone and he started to rebound with players HE recruited, not Saban. Miles had to get those players, they didn't just come because of LSU and what Saban had put into place.
This idea that a coach can come in and build up a program to run on autopilot is ridiculous. Where's Michigan St. and Toledo's championships?
You don't have to look any further than USC to disprove your point. They have probably the most built-in advantages of any CFB program. They've had coaching legends, multiple Heisman winners, they're in Los Angeles and they're the heritage program in California and they're not guaranteed success.
We've officially heard it all. Les Miles rode what Saban built for 12 years apparently. Don't know what other coach can have success for 12 years, win a NC, play in another and be called a bad coach. Only in this messed up fanbase we have.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:20 pm to truthbetold
It actually is a surprise.
He must not be able to convince people he will be more open on offense. That or he's coming with a lot of baggage in other coaches and money owed to him, and programs are scared off by that.
He is, flat out, an upgrade for many teams. LSU needed to move on from him, but a team that wants to win, recruit well, and have their players graduate ought to be looking at him on a short list of candidates.
Hell, a&m, Arky and Tennessee should be looking at him.
He must not be able to convince people he will be more open on offense. That or he's coming with a lot of baggage in other coaches and money owed to him, and programs are scared off by that.
He is, flat out, an upgrade for many teams. LSU needed to move on from him, but a team that wants to win, recruit well, and have their players graduate ought to be looking at him on a short list of candidates.
Hell, a&m, Arky and Tennessee should be looking at him.
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:46 pm to truthbetold
Everyone throws shade on Les, but Coach O has beaten a bunch of teams with losing records this year!
Posted on 11/27/17 at 5:06 pm to tigerpawl
Aren't you glad you waited 12 years to finally be able to say you were right? 
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:20 am to truthbetold
If I were Les, I would go hard after the Hawaii RainbowWarrior job when it comes open. Imagine ales being able to recruit kids to come and play in paridise. He could make them relevant like they were for a year or two before.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:50 am to bayourougebengal
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Except he was more successful at LSU than Saban was.
you Mean wins? yeah if saban was here 12 years i am sure he would have shitload of wins and WAY more titles also than what miles finished with . saban still won same amount of nattys and sec titles at LSU than les in less than half the total time coached here.
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