re: Sometimes You Just Need To Change...(Thoughts on Miles)

I think the fan base needs a coaching change more than anything. As successful as Les is, the fans never allowed him to escape Saban's shadow. For that reason the fan base has never been so divided. The fans desperately need a coach that everyone can rally behind. One that won't be trying to fill Saban's shoes.

Honestly, I couldn't care less if the fanbase is divided

See Nebraska and Frank Solich

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clock management madness are the real reasons.

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Have you watch another coach in charge for 130+ games? They all have clock issues. You just happen to notice them more because you have a large sample of closely watched games.

Even belichik fricks up.

The real reason is he talks funny and lost that game against Tennessee in 2005 on a Monday night. Most have never given him a true chance. They just only have a hand full of games they had a reason to voice their hate. Some have been true to their hate from day 1 like tiger n atl. At least he owns that shite and didnt go into hiding after 103 wins.

People were happy because he won and they tolerated it. But the more he won, the higher the expectations. Then he wins the bcs title and fans were thumping their chest about it. Fast toward a few years and those same fans use that title to somehow now descredit him just because we faultered in 2011.

If Miles leaves chances are that most of the more sought after Head Coaches are already in bed with someone else. That could mean we would look to hire from within. Who from our staff has head coaching experience, who would most likely be moved up? Correct, Cam.
If we do lose Les we probably lose a top in state recruit or two every year due to Miles relationships in state.
What staff does he take with him, Cheif, Frank...etc?
And the big question is who can we bring in that can run the program better than Miles? Everyone on here wants someone with a better offensive scheme or better clock management skills but the truth is in the grand scheme of things these are just two of the more visible criteria to the fan base and may not be two of the more important criteria in running a successful program.

Can someone please get the OP a direct line to Tennessee, Miami, Nebraska, and other once proud programs that "just needed a change".

That worked out real well didn't it? Tennessee has been irrelevant for going on 10 years now after just needing a change from Fulmer. You guys have no idea what you are asking for.

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he frustrates me to no end at times, but I fully respect his recruiting and ability to win (relatively speaking) over an extended period of time like no other coach at LSU.

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I posted something like this but from a different angle and wish I'd had your input on what I was trying to express. Because I think you hit a home run with your post here. Thanks for expressing what my own words failed to completely express. I like Coach Miles. I would love to see him succeed at LSU (which means beating Nick Saban and his Alabama teams a few more times before retirement). I would love to see "let 'er rip Les" make a few more return appearances and LSU to again tear up the West and sit high in the national rankings. But what you said about his aging, and wondering if this hoped for upsurge was possible at LSU rang true enough to at least raise that question. I liked the way you put it here...

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I feel like both LSU and Miles could use a re-birth. Sometimes you have to tear something down for the greater good.

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A honorable departure for Michigan would fulfill a dream Les Miles may have nurtured in his heart for years. It would not be the same as him being fired or being run out of town by torch-waving mobs of crazed former fans. It would be a win/win for Les and for LSU. And I'd be real ok with that.

Doc,

It is not in our hands and I like Miles and change is risky and scary, but Satan is owning us right now. I hate it but it is simply the truth. We may be better we may be screwed. I was at LSU during the dark days, so I know how bad it can get. Again, it is beyond our control. All we can do is hope.

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It is not in our hands and I like Miles and change is risky and scary, but Satan is owning us right now. I hate it but it is simply the truth. We may be better we may be screwed. I was at LSU during the dark days, so I know how bad it can get. Again, it is beyond our control. All we can do is hope.

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The problem with this mentality is that Saban is owning pretty much everyone. There's no coach out there that just takes it to Saban. There are very few coaches who are even consistently competitive against Saban. Les Miles is one of those guys who has fielded teams that have played Saban down to the wire damn near every game. Coaching in the SEC West is the toughest gig in CFB, and there are a lot of "great" coaches who come in and shite the bed. Miles has kept us competitive, and that's something I'm not willing to let go of for the sake of change.

If he goes to UM to live out his dream, I'll having nothing but respect for the man and wish him good luck. Otherwise, it's incredibly dangerous to play with this situation. It doesn't matter who would have come in after Saban. He would have never been Saban to most of the fanbase.

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Be careful what you wish for LSU is poised to make a run at it for the next couple of years.

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No without extreme improvement under center. Remind me again how Jordan Jefferson improved while under Miles' tutelage?