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QBs are more important than HCs. LSU should focus on player $$$, not HC $$$.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:03 am
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:03 am
If we should have learned anything from college football about winners and losers, it should be that QBs are the most important factor in determining success from failure.
Great QB play can make any coach look significantly better than he is: Hallman, Swinney, Orgeron, Kelly, etc. The lack of talent at QB can destroy almost any coach. Whatever you want to say about Les Miles, his success or failure was predominantly determined by QB talent.
A good QB can elevate, and even transcend, the play of an offensive line.
I don't believe LSU has a billionaire donor willing to pay off Kelly's contract, fund a new coach's contract at 1.5+ Kelly's compensation, and fund all of LSU's NIL needs. (LSU has lost too many players to other schools willing to offer more money. Clearly, there are limits.)
Something's gotta give.
I'd rather see a bigger pool of money for NIL than see a record-setting contract given to a head coach.
Hire Morris with an increase from $1.4 million to $4.5 million. He comes with the added value of a QB and a QB Guru aura.
Or hire Golesh with an increase from $2.5 million to $5 million.
Compared to a $15+ million salary for Kiffin, the money can be used to attract the best talent available.
NFL QB salaries are multiples of NFL HC salaries because that's where the value is.
I'd be very happy if Kiffin came to LSU, but there's value in paying for players rather than coaches.
Great QB play can make any coach look significantly better than he is: Hallman, Swinney, Orgeron, Kelly, etc. The lack of talent at QB can destroy almost any coach. Whatever you want to say about Les Miles, his success or failure was predominantly determined by QB talent.
A good QB can elevate, and even transcend, the play of an offensive line.
I don't believe LSU has a billionaire donor willing to pay off Kelly's contract, fund a new coach's contract at 1.5+ Kelly's compensation, and fund all of LSU's NIL needs. (LSU has lost too many players to other schools willing to offer more money. Clearly, there are limits.)
Something's gotta give.
I'd rather see a bigger pool of money for NIL than see a record-setting contract given to a head coach.
Hire Morris with an increase from $1.4 million to $4.5 million. He comes with the added value of a QB and a QB Guru aura.
Or hire Golesh with an increase from $2.5 million to $5 million.
Compared to a $15+ million salary for Kiffin, the money can be used to attract the best talent available.
NFL QB salaries are multiples of NFL HC salaries because that's where the value is.
I'd be very happy if Kiffin came to LSU, but there's value in paying for players rather than coaches.
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:05 am to Salviati
This is not the NFL.
You have a QB for 4 years at the most. Your coach is the the constant variable.
Dumb Post.
You have a QB for 4 years at the most. Your coach is the the constant variable.
Dumb Post.
This post was edited on 11/17/25 at 9:07 am
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:06 am to Salviati
I agree with this.
When I read the Subject line of this thread, it made me think.
Burrow - Coach O
but there are outliers
Daniels - BK
but with that said, I believe a QB is more important.
When I read the Subject line of this thread, it made me think.
Burrow - Coach O
but there are outliers
Daniels - BK
but with that said, I believe a QB is more important.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:06 am to Salviati
Recent national champion quarterbacks include Will Howard, JJ McCarthy and Stetson Bennet
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:13 am to Salviati
In college an offensive scheme can make or break a QB.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:14 am to Salviati
Yep
QB and play caller are the 2 most important positions in football.
QB and play caller are the 2 most important positions in football.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:16 am to whitetiger1234
quote:Coaches are the constant, but team success rises and falls on QB success. Ask Dabo Swinney or just about any other college football head coach. With NIL, teams can buy QB talent just as reliably as teams can buy HC talent.
You have a QB for 4 years at the most. Your coach is the the constant variable.
Teams are currently cycling through HCs at $10 million per year. Teams can cycle through top QBs at less than half that rate.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:19 am to Salviati
Oh yea? Do you think Trinidad Chambliss and Blake Sims were great QBs or was it the coach’s system?
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:20 am to RoyBoy2323
quote:Burrow made Orgeron look great, proving that QBs are more important than HCs.
When I read the Subject line of this thread, it made me think.
Burrow - Coach O
quote:Daniels - BK is not an outlier.
but there are outliers
Daniels - BK
Daniels made Kelly look great, proving that QBs are more important than HCs.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:22 am to Lester Earl
quote:
QB and play caller are the 2 most important positions in football.
And it doesn't really matter at all if that play caller is the head coach
NFL budgets something like 6% of their team salary for the head coach. We pay 10M when the players got 18M
This is professional football now, without salary caps and players unions.
LSU has a chance to be out in front of this paradigm shift. And that's why I know it won't happen.
This state will do what it always has when these opportunities present themselves.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:33 am to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:First, those were good college QBs. Not all good college QBs become good NFL QBs: Manziel, Wuerffel, Tebow, Griffin, etc. etc.
Recent national champion quarterbacks include Will Howard, JJ McCarthy and Stetson Bennet
Second, recent national champion quarterbacks also include those QBs who carried their coach: Burrow, Lawrence, Watson, Winston, Newton, Young. Of course, that list is smaller because Saban was able to purchase, acquire, and retain so much talent that it made his QB position less important. Even so, Tagovailoa gave Saban another championship.
Third, there are innumerable college QBs who carried teams to success, if not necessarily to a championship.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:36 am to Salviati
quote:
Second, recent national champion quarterbacks also include those QBs who carried their coach: Burrow, Lawrence, Watson, Winston, Newton, Young.
Not a single one of these is in this iteration of college football
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:38 am to wahoocs
quote:
And it doesn't really matter at all if that play caller is the head coach
Ideally the HC is the play caller, yes
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:39 am to Salviati
quote:
Whatever you want to say about Les Miles, his success or failure was predominantly determined by QB talent.
Mentioning Miles actually works against your point. The man was 1 game away from the greatest season in CFB history and did it riding Jarrett Lee and Jordan freaking Jefferson.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:39 am to Salviati
quote:
I'd be very happy if Kiffin came to LSU, but there's value in paying for players rather than coaches.
Agreed. I don’t think Kiffin is worth $14m+
Like you, I’d be cool/happy with a Kiffin hire… but it just seems to me that’s not the direction we should go given the price tag. I’m also not sure his overall style is what LSU needs right now.
Whoever we hire, I’ll be watching and supporting.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:40 am to Salviati
Certain coaches have great QB play regardless like Kiffin. Give me the coach and the QB will follow.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:41 am to Salviati
quote:
Daniels - BK is not an outlier.
Both of those are outliers
Burrow and Daniels are two of the greatest QBs in the history of the sport. To expect to approach anything close to that level of QB play more than once in a generation is a pipe dream even with a lot of cash to throw at them.
A head coach in CFB is insanely important for long term program consistency. Kirby won back to back with Stetson Bennett, won the SEC with Carson Beck, and might win it again with Stockton. Look at what Elko has done in just two years after Jimbo wasted tons of A&M QB talent.
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:44 am to Jack Daniel
quote:There are exceptions to every rule.
Oh yea? Do you think Trinidad Chambliss and Blake Sims were great QBs or was it the coach’s system?
But is Kiffin where he is now if Austin Simmons did not get hurt? Would Simmons' sub-60% completion percentage carry Ole Miss to a 10-1 record?
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:49 am to Salviati
We had a heisman winning QB, lost 3 games, and finished outside the top 12 soooo
Posted on 11/17/25 at 9:49 am to Salviati
I’d rather LSU go 0-12 every year than pay any player a dime. This NIL crap has ruined college sports.
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