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re: Orange Bloods saying Mack may step down after this year

Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:08 pm to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:08 pm to
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Lots of great coaches come from smaller schools. I just don't consider them great until they prove it


With all due respect, you are basically saying you can't make an evaluation and really only care about the the name of the team. I don't see how anyone that knows anything about football could say Petersen hasn't "proven" himself as a great coach, now that doesn't mean he will succeed at a bigger school, but its not really debatable that he's a great coach.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 3:09 pm
Posted by paperstreet
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:08 pm to
I agree and disagree with you at the same time.

I mean the guy is two botched field goals away from riding a 37 game winning streak. That in itself is mind blowing.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:10 pm to
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How's Utah done in a real conference?

lol

Everyone knew Utah would be down this year. I guess we should kick Florida out of the SEC, since they are doing mediocre in a real conference for one season.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:20 pm to
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Everyone knew Utah would be down this year

and yet they are 4-4 in Pac12 games. By contrast, LSU was 5-3 in the SEC in 2001 and won the West.

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I guess we should kick Florida out of the SEC, since they are doing mediocre in a real conference for one season.


Ole Miss has ZERO trips to the SEC CG. USCe has been exactly once in almost 20 years in the SEC. Arkansas just 3 times.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 3:21 pm
Posted by Shoulderchoke
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:25 pm to
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I RA'd. We have a board for this.


Posted by TN Bhoy
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Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:26 pm to
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And please don't recycle the "gear up for one big game" argument. My high school team could gear up for 3 years and we're not beating the SEC champs.

He takes kids no one else really wants and has beaten teams with superior athletes.

He gets his players to over-achieve - which is also why they blow though their conference schedule.


How's Dan Hawkins doing?
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:27 pm to
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With all due respect, you are basically saying you can't make an evaluation and really only care about the the name of the team.


I care about who they play

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I don't see how anyone that knows anything about football could say Petersen hasn't "proven" himself as a great coach, now that doesn't mean he will succeed at a bigger school, but its not really debatable that he's a great coach.


A great coach, to me, beats good teams week in and week out.

Winning one or two games a season against good teams doesn't do it for me.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 3:29 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:30 pm to
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How's Utah done in a real conference?



lol

Everyone knew Utah would be down this year.


Utah can win their divison and go to the Pac-12 title game
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:39 pm to
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I care about who they play


Really, you don't care about results? Only who they play? That's odd, so Curley Hallman is a great coach because he played against better teams.

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A great coach, to me, beats good teams week in and week out.


no one does this. Alabama has beaten 2 ranked teams this year, guess Saban is not a great coach.

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Winning one or two games a season against good teams doesn't do it for me.


That's the height of intellecual laziness. And a pretty sad commentary that you let bias do your evaluating for you. He is not beating WAC teams with SEC talent. Using your standard, we should not be able to say any college coach is great, since they are not doing it at the NFL level.
Posted by bwallcubfan
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 3:48 pm to
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Really, you don't care about results? Only who they play?


Blowing out Tech doesn't impress me, sorry

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no one does this. Alabama has beaten 2 ranked teams this year, guess Saban is not a great coach.


oh brother

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Using your standard, we should not be able to say any college coach is great, since they are not doing it at the NFL level.


this makes no sense

I'm tired of this argument. You're entitled to think he's great. I'm gonna hold off.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:05 pm to
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Blowing out Tech doesn't impress me, sorry


No one's asking you to be impressed about 1 specific game. But I'm not surprised someone that uses such a lazy argument would look at it this way. Since 2006 he is 70-6. That's not just "blowing out" Tech. Since no one else on that level excpet maybe TCU is anywhere close to that, how is that not impressive? You say its against lesser teams, leaving out the fact that he is also coaching a lesser team. Its called comparing apples to apples. to simple not give some one credit because its a lower division is either snobbery or stupidity. Sorry.

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oh brother


simple question, do you think the talent gap between Alabama and Ole Miss is closer than the talent gap between Boise and teams they play?
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this makes no sense


NFL teams are greater than college teams. You standard is winning at a 2nd tier D1 program is not impressive. If that's the case, how is winning at any college impressive compared to the pros?
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:27 pm to
Major college coaching history is riddled with the shriveled corpses of "Can't miss" coaches elevated form D2 level or moved over from high profile NFL coaching positions (realize Boise is not D2 but the analogy holds).

Let's wait for Mr. Petersen to prove himself at a major college program before annointing him the second coming of the Sabear....

The demands of the head FB coach at Texas are not even remotely comparable to the demands of the HC of Boise State. Sorry not everyone has such a high opinion of your idol. Maybe that will change with time.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 4:29 pm
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:33 pm to
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How's Dan Hawkins doing?


lol

well he is a case study in how his coordinators made him.

Guess who his OC was during all of his success?

It's not unlike how Dennis Franchione was exposed once he no longer had Gary Patterson picking up the slack for him.

Never mind the fact that a major reason for Hawkins undoing was his insistence on starting his own son at QB and trying to get the kid school passing records. Their 28 point 4th quarter blown lead vs Kansas in his last year is proof positive of that.




anyway, I think Petersen would be crazy to take the job at Texas right now. He pretty much has a lifetime job set up at Boise and they are about to move to the AQ Big East.

Meanwhile at Texas, AD DeLoss Dodds is long in the tooth and due to retire in the next few years. With the LHN blowing up in their (and ESPN's) faces, the team going through a downturn, and the likelihood of a new AD wanting to put his own stamp on the program, the pressure to win early and often will be massive and will no doubt lead to an extremely short leash.

If he didn't get them to a 10 win season by year 4 he would be extremely likely to get canned. I just don't think the risk would be worth it. If he is going to jump to a traditional big time school, he would be better off going somewhere with a little more stability and/or willingness to commit to a total program overhaul.

Also, he has done almost all of his coaching on the West Coast. All of his connections are over there. It would be much smarter for him to jump to a Pac 12 school if he ever moves on from Boise as the fans are generally nowhere near as demanding and he would be able to continue using his West Coast connections for recruiting.




As for Utah, they are actually doing pretty well considering this was supposed to be a rebuilding year for them regardless of what conference they were in. They currently have the 4th best overall record in the Pac 12 and if they beat CU with UCLA losing to USC (both likely) and Cal defeating ASU (50/50) they will go to the Pac 12 Championship game in year one. Yes it's due to USC being on probo but that is still far better than most would have predicted for them this season.
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 4:46 pm
Posted by TigersBucs
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 4:37 pm to
Lil Nicky
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:19 pm to
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and yet they are 4-4 in Pac12 games. By contrast, LSU was 5-3 in the SEC in 2001 and won the West.


A Utah win over Colorado and a UCLA loss to USC puts Utah in the Pac12CG.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60986 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:36 pm to
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How's Dan Hawkins doing?


what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

Boise Derangement syndrome has taken a whole new level.

If you guys want to argue BSU is over rated at #5 or in the top 10 based on their schedule, that's legitimate. But to then extend that logic to say that the coaches are not good is just willful ignorance. The type of lazy arguments that simple minded people make because its based on nothing but bias.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60986 posts
Posted on 11/22/11 at 5:56 pm to
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I think Petersen would be crazy to take the job at Texas right now. He pretty much has a lifetime job set up at Boise and they are about to move to the AQ Big East.


I'm gonna have to disagree with you here

The Boise BE deal is not set and even if it is, there is no guarentee that a the BE will retain AQ status or more importantly if there will even be such a thing as AQ status after the BCS deal comes up.

As for not being a good time to take the Texas job, lol wut? There is pretty much no such thing as a bad time to take that job. They have massive resoruces, top notch facilities and access to elite talent and beleive it or not one of the least demanding fan bases around for an elite program. They will not tolerate multiple 6-6 seasons, but they won't start up fire the coach .com sites for not winning it all either.

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If he didn't get them to a 10 win season by year 4 he would be extremely likely to get canned


As well he should. Gerry DiNardo went 10-2 in his second year at LSU taking over a disaster. Texas is not having a good year, but are in much better shape than that!
This post was edited on 11/22/11 at 6:24 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:21 pm to
They are not going to hire a scientologist at Texas I promise you.
Posted by Uncle Stu
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 7:38 pm to
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Orange Bloods saying Mack may step down after this year

easy there

I was just listening to Ketchum on the way home and he made a big point to stop with this bullshite. They've been dancing around the Mack retirement story for years now, it's no closer to happening now than it was last year.

this is like taking some stupid shite off the rant and re-posting it as news. they dont know shite about shite over at OB
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 11/22/11 at 9:27 pm to
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Winning one or two games a season against good teams doesn't do it for me.


Nutt made a living off this.
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