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Mike Leach would be fun in interviews, but what am I missing?
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:30 am
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:30 am
With all this Mike Leach talk, I got to looking into some stats. I don't see him as anything spectacular for Tennessee. They are not in a great recruiting situation like some of the other SEC schools, but they still have to play all those schools. Everyone keeps talking about "Mike Leach could expose Saban" or "It would be good to challenge Saban with Tennessee yearly"...
The truth is, I don't see either of those happening. If Leach is so great as to "expose Saban" (who typically has one of the best defenses in the country) Why isn't he competing for titles, or at the very least winning his conference? Which he only tied for ONE time and that was while at TTU. No doubt a good coach, but come on with this BS narrative.
The dude has a career winning percentage of 60.4%.
He is at 58% in the last 4 years. During those years he is averaging ~33pts per game. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.
He has finished in the top 25 5 times in 16 years, maybe 6 times after this year. And has NEVER finished in the top 10.
Tennessee is sitting at 50.4% since Fulmer was fired. And in the last 4 years they are at 56.9%.
Granted Leach has a better conference record in the last for years (58.3%) than Tennessee (37.5%), but do you really think Leach would be much better moving from the PAC-12 (with minimal defense) to the SEC (which prides itself on defense)?
Maybe I am way off base here. I think Leach is a good coach and maybe a good fit for Tennessee, but this "expose" and "challenge" narrative seems off base to me.
Please sway me to the otherside.
TL;DR: Mike Leach is being overestimated, am I wrong?
The truth is, I don't see either of those happening. If Leach is so great as to "expose Saban" (who typically has one of the best defenses in the country) Why isn't he competing for titles, or at the very least winning his conference? Which he only tied for ONE time and that was while at TTU. No doubt a good coach, but come on with this BS narrative.
The dude has a career winning percentage of 60.4%.
He is at 58% in the last 4 years. During those years he is averaging ~33pts per game. Not exactly lighting the world on fire.
He has finished in the top 25 5 times in 16 years, maybe 6 times after this year. And has NEVER finished in the top 10.
Tennessee is sitting at 50.4% since Fulmer was fired. And in the last 4 years they are at 56.9%.
Granted Leach has a better conference record in the last for years (58.3%) than Tennessee (37.5%), but do you really think Leach would be much better moving from the PAC-12 (with minimal defense) to the SEC (which prides itself on defense)?
Maybe I am way off base here. I think Leach is a good coach and maybe a good fit for Tennessee, but this "expose" and "challenge" narrative seems off base to me.
Please sway me to the otherside.
TL;DR: Mike Leach is being overestimated, am I wrong?
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:32 am to The Rodfather
How many coaches out there could actually win championships with the likes of Texas Tech or Wazzu?
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:35 am to The Rodfather
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am I wrong?
Yes, TT and Wazzu are the worst jobs in their respective conferences and he has made them both pretty much as good as they can be.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:35 am to The Rodfather
Yeah, I mean he only got Texas Tech to like #2 in the country, then took a WSU team that was 9-40 in the previous four seasons to their first top 25 ranking since Ryan Leaf.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:36 am to The Rodfather
He has coached at Texas Tech and Washington St., two traditional bottom feeder programs in their respective conferences. He far exceeded that those programs had traditionally done. I think he could be successful at a program with more resources.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:36 am to The Rodfather
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The dude has a career winning percentage of 60.4%.
Taking over a horrible WSU program brought his career win percentage down.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:36 am to The Rodfather
He's been in Lubbock and pullman bruh
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:39 am to The Rodfather
He has been successful and built a decent program from the Big 12 and PAC 12 equivalents of Kentucky in the SEC. Straight garbage, bottom of the conference teams, and he’s made them consistent and competitive when he’s been coach. Programs with no resources or recruiting ability, and he’s provided them excellent value
Posted on 12/1/17 at 9:42 am to The Rodfather
I don't think you fully grasp how hard it is to win at Tech and WSU, especially in the current state of CFB. Both are relatively poor schools in terrible locations that have to compete against programs that have everything they don't. No sane person would choose to go to school in Lubbock if they had better options and WSU isn't much better (at least they are close to skiing?)
At UT Leach would be able to actually have real money and support for the first time. Now I don't think Leach goes to UT and starts dominating the East but I do think he could be similar to when USC hired Spurrier. They would win a lot, be a fun team to watch, lose some head scratchers, and come up with some crazy stuff to find a way to steal a win from Bama at some point.
Oh, and most importantly for the rest of us we would get to have Leach at SEC Media days. I mean who wouldn't want this guy?
Leach on Weddings
Fat Little Girlfriends
At UT Leach would be able to actually have real money and support for the first time. Now I don't think Leach goes to UT and starts dominating the East but I do think he could be similar to when USC hired Spurrier. They would win a lot, be a fun team to watch, lose some head scratchers, and come up with some crazy stuff to find a way to steal a win from Bama at some point.
Oh, and most importantly for the rest of us we would get to have Leach at SEC Media days. I mean who wouldn't want this guy?
Leach on Weddings
Fat Little Girlfriends
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:29 am to The Rodfather
What Leach has done at WSU and Texas Tech is equivalent to what Franklin did when he was at Vanderbilt. It's extremely difficult to have success at programs like those. Same thing with Mullen at Miss St. Miss St was once also a dumpster fire job, and use to be THE bottom feeder school in the SEC West for the longest.
Getting talent to come to schools like those is extremely difficult. At the same time you're in the conference where teams are loaded with 4 wnd 5 stars. To win 9-10 games there is like winning 11-12 games anywhere else.
Getting talent to come to schools like those is extremely difficult. At the same time you're in the conference where teams are loaded with 4 wnd 5 stars. To win 9-10 games there is like winning 11-12 games anywhere else.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:36 am to The Rodfather
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The dude has a career winning percentage of 60.4%.
It isn't THAT he has won 60% of his games.....it is WHERE he has won them.
And in his own way, Leach is kinda like Sex Panther cologne.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:49 pm to LSUGrad9295
He is a damn good coach. He could win at vandy
Posted on 12/1/17 at 4:41 pm to The Rodfather
It's a moot point anyway. Tennessee messed all that up.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 5:03 pm to The Rodfather
quote:Leach has won at places that are very difficult to win historically and he does so with lesser talent. At a school like Tennessee he would be able to recruit better talent. Do I think Leach is capable of winning a NC? No, he doesn’t put enough emphasis on defense.
Mike Leach is being overestimated, am I wrong?
I do think he could go 9-3 10-2 on a regular basis at Tennessee and be competitive in the East, but only if he had as good a defense as his offense.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 9:48 am to The Rodfather
You know, I really think Leach is the man they've wanted from the onset.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 11:57 am to The Rodfather
Leach has always worked jobs where he had to do more with less. Right now, that's the challenge at UT. The question is, could Leach build up the program to where, instead of doing more with less, he's got more than the competition? It would be interesting to see, for sure.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 12:00 pm to aggressor
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Oh, and most importantly for the rest of us we would get to have Leach at SEC Media days. I mean who wouldn't want this guy?
Last year was boring without Les, no more wacky summer stories. Leach would bring back SEC Media Days to normalcy
Posted on 12/2/17 at 12:03 pm to The Rodfather
Leach is a genius that turned around 2 of the worse programs in a conference and was a part of doing it again in the SEC. Put Saban at Washington State and I doubt he would of been as successful as Leach unless he changed his philosophy a good bit. Now would leach be as successful at Lsu or bama as Saban probably not. But his resume is very impressive other than the whole locking Craig James boy up in the shed thing.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 12:45 pm to The Rodfather
Always liked Leach. He's a non-conformist/mad scientist.
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