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re: Is it just my bias, or is LSU the best DC job available?

Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:04 am to
Posted by czechtiger
europe
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:04 am to
Obviously I think LSU is a great place and an attractive position for any ambitious coach. But having been a fan for a long time I think the fan base doesn’t take into consideration there are other good or even better opportunities out there.
LSU football doesn’t have a “right” to continued success.
They need to offer good opportunities and treat their people right or things could go downhill in a hurry.
Look at Tennessee or Miami....USC....Michigan. These staff hires need to be good ones. We’ve (Coach O) used up a lot of goodwill this past season.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:09 am to
It has every advantage except stability which might not even be important to Freeman if he's taking the first P5 job that's offered to him.

ND, Texas, and Auburn aren't firing coaches after the 2021 season. I fully expect LSU to perform at a level that doesn't get O fired but there is no denying that he needs to turn in a 9+ win season. Out of the 4 places that are rumored to be after him, LSU is the least stable from a HC perspective.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:14 am to
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the DLine should be well suited to make the shift from a 4-3



Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28337 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:24 am to
Two of the last 4 DC's got HC jobs because of it (Pelini and Aranda). The others (Chavis and Steele) parachuted out because they figured the HC who hired them was on the verge of being fired every year (and he was). But neither made a downward move. Both were lateral moves. We won't discuss "Malveto"

While you would love for your DC to also be a great recruiter, he probably doesn't have to on this staff. O is a terrific recruiter (with his area of expertise being on defense). Raymond has consistently signed good DB's. O will likely bring in a DL coach with strong recruiting traits. As a DC you just have to come in and organized the great pieces put in place for you. If you do, a P5 HC job awaits

Defense doesn't exist in the Big 12. ND has great tradition, but no longer can pull any blue chip player they want like they could in the 60', 70's, 80's. Auburn is a good job, but doesn't have the same geographical advantages of LSU. They are the second banana school in the state in terms of both prestige and recruiting.

The angle of attack on LSU right now is perceived instability at the HC position. Texas and Auburn have new HC's who you know will at least get a few years to perform. ND isn't firing Kelly anytime soon. LSU fans and probably some of the top brass wanted O gone after this season. He's gone from one season away from being fired to locked in "for life" to one season away from being fired all in the course of 3 years.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42560 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:25 am to
Auburn and Texas is better. More money (pay and facilities), and better quality of life for families. Austin is awesome, and Auburn is always voted one of the best small towns in America. LSU is a good job, tho.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
26411 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:32 am to
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Auburn and Texas is better



Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81261 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:38 am to
Lol auburn is a shite hole with all the students living in literal trailer parks. And they have more money but hired Harsin as HC? Lol
This post was edited on 1/6/21 at 9:38 am
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:39 am to
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The defensive backfield is f*cking loaded

Are you serious? I've got more questions about the DBs than any other position group on the team. Safety play was downright atrocious and I didn't see any reasons to be optimistic about the guys returning next year. The guy I was hoping to see at the end of the year, Toles, was totally mia, except for tweeting that "this place lame" at the end of the year.

Behind Stingley* and Ricks, outside corner is perilously thin. McGlothern did show a little promise, though.

I like Ward and Flott is serviceable.

The recruiting class at safety looks really nice on paper, but these guys haven't even gotten to campus yet. This isn't exactly what I would call a stacked position group.

I do agree that LSU is the best job available right now, though.
Posted by dwright369
Member since Aug 2020
1357 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 9:47 am to
I completely agree with your OP, and I would’ve had another important point specifically applicable to Freeman:

Look at the opportunity this position afforded our most recent successful DC, Dave Aranda. And HC position with a P5 program. And guess who else is ultimately looking for the exact same thing.

Ding, ding, ding that’s correct sir. One, Marcus freeman!!!
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24983 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 10:04 am to
It is the best, or certainly top 3, but it comes with supremely high expectations.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 10:12 am to
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I'm genuinely curious if there is a better job out there. Not just from a financial angle, but from the stand point of coming in and having all the pieces in place to have a team ready to compete for a national title again.


It’s a matter of the individual’s priorities. On the surface, LSU checks more boxes from a talent and recruiting perspective, especially with what’s already available to a new DC on day one. If the typical priorities of money, exposure and talent base apply, we have the best balance of all three over UT, ND, Michigan and Auburn.

But location could be a factor. For a devout Catholic who’s from the Midwest, ND may have extra appeal that trumps what we typically expect coaches to care about. I believe Michigan and Auburn would be in the weakest bargaining positions today, but Texas is Texas too and Sark is a really good coach. I think we have more talent on campus today, but the cupboard isn’t bare there at all. And they don’t have pending investigations at the moment. Money may kit be enough for some people to look past that.

So while I think we are in the most advantageous position to land Freeman, there is no way to know right now what he’s thinking and will value more. Everyone will learn something about what makes him tick based on where he ends up.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 10:18 am to
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Behind Stingley* and Ricks, outside corner is perilously thin. McGlothern did show a little promise, though. I like Ward and Flott is serviceable.


I get what you are thinking, but I think the talent is there at CB. Flott played a lot better under Aranda and Ward made real strides at the end of the year. Stingley and Ricks are on a different level, but these other guys are capable of more in the right scheme. I think we saw Pelini’s unwillingness to scheme around what he had. We played a defense that emphasized our weaknesses in a year when injuries and a couple of ejections took a toll. I think a smart DC will get the CBs back on track quickly.

Safety is a bigger concern, because neither of Harris or Hampton has been that great. We will need one of them or Toles to at least be serviceable and for a couple of the young guys to step right in and be good.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3348 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 10:20 am to
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LSU fans and probably some of the top brass wanted O gone after this season. He's gone from one season away from being fired to locked in "for life" to one season away from being fired all in the course of 3 years.


The only reason O would be gone is if he is implicated in the Title IX matter.

This season didn't put him on the hot seat and only irrational fans want him gone.

It's not like he had one great season in the middle of 3 bad years or that he was expected to make a run with a limited/inexperienced roster during the covid 19 pandemic.

I swear, some of y'all have lost your minds.
This post was edited on 1/6/21 at 10:25 am
Posted by ibleedprplngld
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4301 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 10:47 am to
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Obviously I think LSU is a great place and an attractive position for any ambitious coach. But having been a fan for a long time I think the fan base doesn’t take into consideration there are other good or even better opportunities out there.


Apparently your reading comprehension is off. LSU is the best job AVAILABLE. Not the best DC job there is.
Posted by frankenfish
Crofton, MD
Member since Feb 2008
837 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 10:49 am to
I am too biased to be able to do this totally logically. I obviously think for reasons stated here that LSU is the best, but Texas and ND are nothing to sneeze at.

Pro-Texas: recruiting rich state, rich program. New coach may lower expectations so would have some grace time to implement system and get results. Other than Oklahoma and maybe OK St/Iowa State who is there to compete against? Money is no object.

Pro-ND: no problem recruiting/national brand. If current coach is rumored to be leaving would Freeman put himself in place to be named interim? Similar to Texas, plenty of money and soft schedule.

I see LSU as the highest risk, but the highest reward. Dominate in the SEC and the world is your oyster. But if you don't produce, and immediately- have you blackballed yourself for your future?
Posted by ibleedprplngld
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4301 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 10:51 am to
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Are you serious? I've got more questions about the DBs than any other position group on the team.


I am dead serious. From a pure talent stand point, the DBs are stacked. Everything you're talking about is more scheme related. Coverage assignments are very different when you go from a 3-4 to a 4-3 Especially when you go to the nickel and/or dime package in a 4-3. Communication and a lack of understanding those assignments is what hampered the DBs this season. At least that's what I saw.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7232 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 10:52 am to
I agree and another thing to consider is lsu's looming title ix issues.
Posted by IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa City
Member since Nov 2019
1513 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 11:01 am to
Look at LSU’s defensive haul from 2020/2021.

You begin with a top 5 player taken in next years draft. Two shut down corners and an entire defensive line has playmakers.

I would argue that we have top 10 in terms of linebacker talent, but need the coaching which is his expertise.

If he doesn’t choose LSU, he is not trying to compete for a Natty. ND will NEVER beat Clemson, Bama and OSU. Won’t happen. Can’t even beat Georgia.

LSU will give him more; financial security, championship opportunity, talent gathering resources and resume padding than any other job currently on the market.
This post was edited on 1/6/21 at 11:13 am
Posted by Cjscore
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2016
591 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 11:14 am to
LSU has a ton of talent. It is definitely a top 5 job.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79189 posts
Posted on 1/6/21 at 12:16 pm to
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Lol auburn is a shite hole with all the students living in literal trailer parks. And they have more money but hired Harsin as HC? Lol



It doesn't speak well for LSU that LSU dominates it's own state with a major city but Auburn exceeds it in most metrics and is the second school in Alabama

Talk about doing less with more
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