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re: How much do HCs improve...data inside
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:30 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 12/2/16 at 9:30 am to Topwater Trout
Please don't bring logical analysis into the discussion. Just blindly accept the misguided statement that coaches don't improve a whole bunch. If you do, you will risk being called a "moron" by the likes of clamdip.
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You forget that these people are just simple farmers, people of the land, the common clay of the new West.... you know, morons.
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:07 am to beauxroux
quote:Can coaches improve? Sure.
Please don't bring logical analysis into the discussion. Just blindly accept the misguided statement that coaches don't improve a whole bunch.
Are we to be the test lab for HCs that have failed miserably before? Hell no.
Is taking over an already in place major program for a few games a better indicator of future success than someone's abysmal history when they had full ownership and responsibility of a program over multiple years? HELL. NO.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:18 am to clamdip
quote:That's the reason this hire is not as bad as you think it is. Poor recruiting kills a program faster and more dead than poor coaching. It takes years to recover, and some programs(Nebraska and Tennessee) likely never will. Hiring O from within after he's been here a while and recruited and worked with the core of this staff is vastly different than if LSU had hired him away from some small school across the country. I cannot believe you dumbasses cannot see that.
Is taking over an already in place major program for a few games a better indicator of future success than someone's abysmal history when they had full ownership and responsibility of a program over multiple years? HELL. NO.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:26 am to AlxTgr
quote:Nothing you said here comes remotely close to refuting what I said. Do you think Orgeron didn't recruit well at Ole Miss? Yet his last year was his worst.
That's the reason this hire is not as bad as you think it is. Poor recruiting kills a program faster and more dead than poor coaching. It takes years to recover, and some programs(Nebraska and Tennessee) likely never will. Hiring O from within after he's been here a while and recruited and worked with the core of this staff is vastly different than if LSU had hired him away from some small school across the country. I cannot believe you dumbasses cannot see that.
2003 - Cutcliffe - 10-3 (7-1)
2004 - Cutcliffe - 4-7 (3-5)
2005 - Ogre - 3-8 (1-7)
2006 - Ogre - 4-8 (2-6)
2007 - Ogre - 3-9 (0-8)
2008 - H.Nutt - 9-4 (5-3)
Ogre's record against ranked teams: 0-12
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:34 am to SportTiger1
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Coaching is coaching.
I wonder how Jock Sutherland handled the internet during his time.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:43 am to clamdip
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Is taking over an already in place major program for a few games a better indicator of future success than someone's abysmal history when they had full ownership and responsibility of a program over multiple years? HELL. NO
Really depends. How long ago was full-time coaching gig? When was interim gig? Was more recent time period a success and more distant time a failure or vice versa?
I won't call you a moron (as you have done to others)... but only a simplistic or lazy person would look at statistics alone and not conduct a more in-depth analysis. I'm sure you won't understand, but even the stats do not prove that "abysmal history" in the beginning predicts a continuing pattern in the future. In fact, the chart proves that historically, coaches with bad starting records have won the NC and coaches with good starting records have also won. But, argue on....
Posted on 12/2/16 at 1:41 pm to clamdip
quote:You're using refuting wrong. I never said anything about recruiting at Ole Miss. Read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote.
Nothing you said here comes remotely close to refuting what I said. Do you think Orgeron didn't recruit well at Ole Miss? Yet his last year was his worst.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 1:45 pm to SportTiger1
So, few coaches that had a bad stint get a second chance. Thanks for the data.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 4:51 pm to LSU Patrick
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So, few coaches that had a bad stint get a second chance. Thanks for the data.
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