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re: Gus Malzahn getting $$$-whipped by Vandy?

Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:01 am to
Posted by DawgyDog
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:01 am to
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I would also say that he is credited with the creation and the genius behind the wildcat formation.


NO
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:02 am to
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Jim Harbaugh


Can Harbaugh sustain that 1 great year so far at Stanford? They got their asses kicked by the only real good team that they played this year.
Posted by Duckie
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Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:03 am to
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i also believe he's the real "head coach" at AU. when i see malzhan and chizik on the sidelines, gus is telling gene what to do


No way



Posted by ItTakesAThief
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:03 am to

Vandy may be short on athletes, due to admission requirements.

But the one thing that Vandy has plenty of is money.
Posted by Duckie
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:04 am to
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NO



From Miami: Now Malzahn Gets the 'Wildcat' Credit

by Jim Harris



The Miami Dolphins' "Wildcat" story never ends. After writing that Miami quarterback coach David Lee had invented the formation at Arkansas and put it to great use Sunday in the Dolphins' rout of the New England Patriots in Foxboro, Mass., South Florida Sun-Sentinel columnist Dave Hyde got deeper into the "Wildcat" history and discovered Gus Malzahn.

Hyde got Malzahn, the former Springdale High and Unviersity of Arkansas assistant coach who is now at Tulsa, on the phone earlier this week to discuss the "Wildcat" genesis:
This post was edited on 12/10/10 at 9:06 am
Posted by Cdawg
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:10 am to
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not only will they still be Vandy, but they'll also be broke.



yeah, Vandy has to worry about being broke.
Posted by DawgyDog
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:19 am to
I stand corrected. I lived in Arkansass for many years and the testicle always gave credit to Lee. I guess that was just part of his denial of giving Gus credit for anything he did.

DAWGY
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:20 am to
the wildcat is a simple option play based out of a half wing that has been run for decades
Posted by Aubie83
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:24 am to
This is what VANDY HAS TO DO! Not just for Malzahn but for a coach that can do some damage...I see no reason why Vandy cannot be in a bowl game on a regular basis....Stanford does, Northwestern is getting better...Johnson proved you can bring in some talent to Vandy as he did it last year with their best recruiting class ever...I don't see why Vandy cant be a consistent 6-7 game winner...
Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
114487 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:26 am to
Stanford & Northwestern don't have to play an SEC schedule...That's huge.
Posted by amiznit
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:27 am to
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when he left springdale and went to arky, he had a 4-5 WR, single back spread/ace set with lots of deep routes. it did not work

Yeah but his QBs were Casey Dick and true frosh Mustain, and then Chris Todd his first year at AU. Not exactly the pick of the litter there. I wonder if his offense could work if given the athletes and a decent QB.

But like you said, he's the anti-Crowton and is willing to change his scheme based on the talent at hand. That's his biggest plus, imo.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:33 am to
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I stand corrected. I lived in Arkansass for many years and the testicle always gave credit to Lee. I guess that was just part of his denial of giving Gus credit for anything he did.

Houston Nutt always credits David Lee despite the fact that Lee wasn't on staff until the year after we started running the Wildcat. Anyone associated with the program knows that Malzahn was the one who suggested and implemented it but Nutt refuses to give credit to Gus for anything from that year. Gus on the other hand doesn't try to take credit for it like Nutt does because he didn't really "invent" it and instead usually refers back to saying its been around for awhile and he picked it up from the Bill Snyder's Kansas State teams, hence the name Wildcat.
This post was edited on 12/10/10 at 9:36 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:37 am to
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I wonder if his offense could work if given the athletes and a decent QB.

your spread offenses will feature 5-10 yard routes predominantly, with 1 safety valve of a RB running flares and circle routes

if you consistently rely on 5 OL to block the D, you will have to have hot routes for the QB

if you rely on almost all long routes with 5 OL, your QB will get fricking murdered in a conference with pass rushers
Posted by Duckie
Tippy Toe, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2010
24314 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:41 am to
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the wildcat is a simple option play based out of a half wing that has been run for decades


Exactly, but Malzahn fine tuned the wing to create the wildcat.
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:41 am to
I admire Malzahn for his modesty regarding his offenses. He admits that he simply adopts and adapts things he has seen others do. That reminds me of Bill Walsh who never claimed credit for inventing the so-called West Coast Offense. He always creditied others for providing the influences.
Posted by calitiger
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:42 am to
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Stanford & Northwestern don't have to play an SEC schedule...That's huge.


They are also located in more fertile recruiting territories. We have to compete against Bama, UTK, UK, and Ole Piss for nearly every athlete we pursue in Tennessee. When we go out of state we are up against the dominant state school program. If you look at the Vandy roster you will see kids from all over the country but we know that to be successful it is essential that we get kids from our region. It isn't easy.
Posted by Duckie
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Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:45 am to
Here's more from the article:


Hyde got Malzahn, the former Springdale High and Unviersity of Arkansas assistant coach who is now at Tulsa, on the phone earlier this week to discuss the "Wildcat" genesis:

"Wait, please don't make it sound, you know, like I 'invented' anything," Malzahn, 43, said. "Football's a game where you use ideas that you see. I've used everyone's ideas. This isn't about me at all. Please don't make it sound that way."

OK. Fair enough. But let's study the progression of the "Wildcat" package that led to the Dolphins scoring four touchdowns with it against New England and dumbing down Bill Belichick for one day.

In the fall of 2005, Springdale High's version of Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams were receiver Damian Williams and quarterback Mitch Mustain. Both are at the University of Southern California now.

One of the plays Malzahn invented for them was a version of the Wildcat package the Dolphins used to stun New England. Springdale won the Arkansas state title in 2005.

In 2006, Malzahn became Arkansas' offensive coordinator. There he inherited talents like Darren McFadden and Felix Jones, now with the Oakland Raiders and Dallas Cowboys, respectively.

"Please don't present this as anything more than a way to get the best players on the field at the same time," Malzahn said.

He fine-tuned the Wildcat package. When Arkansas clinched the Southeastern Conference West Division against Tennessee that year, McFadden used it to run for 181 yards, score two touchdowns and throw for a third. Sound familiar, Ronnie Brown?

In 2007, Malzahn became the University of Tulsa's offensive coordinator. Suddenly, it became the No. 1 offense in the country. Meanwhile, David Lee replaced him at Arkansas. Lee inherited the Wildcat package. Using it, McFadden ran for 206 yards and completed three passes to beat top-ranked LSU.

Cut to this season. Lee is the new Dolphins quarterbacks coach. With him came the Wildcat package. He's no doubt put in variations and options to tailor it to the Dolphins' players.

"Shoot, David Lee is a smart coach and it takes a lot of guts to call it in a NFL game like that," Malzahn said.

Hey, when the basic stuff isn't working -- and don't Arkansas Razorback fans know all about the basic stuff not working before Malzahn joined the Hogs' staff -- you try something else. Even if that means digging back into the Sammy Baugh playbook of the 1930s and 1940s. This is, after all, a variation of the single wing and misdirection, and it's still about -- as Malzahn says -- getting the best players on the field at one time and causing the defense to have to react in ways it's not used to.

Hyde and Malzahn continue their conversation about Miami's success with the "Wildcat" formation:

Did he feel a tinge of pride?

[Malzahn] sighed over the phone. "Look I've got to get back to what I'm doing here," he said. "I really, sincerely don't want any credit for this. I'm a little gun-shy. I've just been blessed to be in the right situation with the right players."
Posted by GeauxTigersLee
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2010
4690 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 9:51 am to
Wow....offering Malzahn $3 M. That's 4th highest in the SEC!

SEC Salaries - 2010:
Alabama - Nick Saban - $6 M
Florida - Urban Meyer - $4 M
LSU - Les Miles - $3.9 M
UGA - Mark Richt - $2.9 M
Arkansas - Bobby Petrino - $2.7 M
Ole Miss - Houston Nutt - $2.5 M
Tennessee - Derek Dooley - $2.1 M
Auburn - Gene Chizik - $2.1 M
USCe - Steve Spurrier - $2 M
Kentucky - Joker Phillips -$1.7 M
MSU - Dan Mullen - $1.2 M
Vandy - Robbie Caldwell - ?
Posted by Angry LLAMA
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Member since Mar 2009
2731 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 10:21 am to
i always knew those vandy folk were smart. they can put 7 years on the deal to make everyone feel better- but the fact is, they are renting him for 2-3 years and then hes gone.
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Malzahn
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40882 posts
Posted on 12/10/10 at 11:17 am to
saban makes 6 million??????

WOW.


mullen at 1.2? WoW!
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