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Dynamic of an AD having control over assistant coach hirings
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:05 am
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:05 am
I see a lot of people saying, “Woodward has to have input on the coordinator hires”
I couldn’t disagree more. Here’s why:
First off, Scott Woodward is an administrator, a politician. He’s not a football guy. Not a slight for Scott, most ADs fit his mold. It’s one thing to judge the resume of a head coach and make a hire, it’s another thing to judge scheme and personality fits of an assistant within a larger group of players and coaches.
Second, it’s Ed Orgerons job to hire assistant coaches, period. Once you have admins meddling, it creates a very slippery slope. It creates the opportunity for resentment, micromanaging, and disconnection. Do we really need that right now?
Fact is, if Scott Woodward feels it’s necessary to have input on who our assistant coaches are, he needs to fire O immediately. But having an active role in the hiring process isn’t a tenable scenario, imo.
I couldn’t disagree more. Here’s why:
First off, Scott Woodward is an administrator, a politician. He’s not a football guy. Not a slight for Scott, most ADs fit his mold. It’s one thing to judge the resume of a head coach and make a hire, it’s another thing to judge scheme and personality fits of an assistant within a larger group of players and coaches.
Second, it’s Ed Orgerons job to hire assistant coaches, period. Once you have admins meddling, it creates a very slippery slope. It creates the opportunity for resentment, micromanaging, and disconnection. Do we really need that right now?
Fact is, if Scott Woodward feels it’s necessary to have input on who our assistant coaches are, he needs to fire O immediately. But having an active role in the hiring process isn’t a tenable scenario, imo.
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:05 am to DBG
Scott Woodward is like the traditional role of Congress
he shouldn't have the power to tell the Executive what to do, but he holds the power of the purse to limit the budget
he shouldn't have the power to tell the Executive what to do, but he holds the power of the purse to limit the budget
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:06 am to SlowFlowPro
The budget is a different deal, the AD absolutely has that control.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:08 am to DBG
i will say this. Woodward allowing O to hire BoP for that insane salary is a terrible look for him
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
I agree. Scott should control the purse.
Scott was in a pretty tough position coming off the greatest season ever, you had to give O a big raise. It also put him in a position that it is hard to tell the NC winning coach he can't have this guy on his staff because of money issues. However, Scott is paid like a big boy and should have made some push back on the numbers Pelini needed to come.
My guess is O went with the Bo brings us stability route (which is a whole different rabbit hole on coaching hires)
What I don't get in all of this is we had a pretty much unlimited bank, O should have been able to find a legit DC
Scott was in a pretty tough position coming off the greatest season ever, you had to give O a big raise. It also put him in a position that it is hard to tell the NC winning coach he can't have this guy on his staff because of money issues. However, Scott is paid like a big boy and should have made some push back on the numbers Pelini needed to come.
My guess is O went with the Bo brings us stability route (which is a whole different rabbit hole on coaching hires)
What I don't get in all of this is we had a pretty much unlimited bank, O should have been able to find a legit DC
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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Woodward allowing O to hire
He didn't allow O to do. Woodward and Pellini are way better friends than O and Bo ever were. he hooked his friend up
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:42 am to Midtiger farm
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Woodward and Pellini are way better friends than O and Bo ever were. he hooked his friend up
What is the evidence for this? Woodward and Bo didn’t overlap at LSU.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:47 am to DBG
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What is the evidence for this? Woodward and Bo didn’t overlap at LSU.
I'll try to find the articles but there is one where during the week of a Washington/Nebraska game where Woodward was quoted saying him and Bo are good friends and that they talk weekly
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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Scott Woodward is like the traditional role of Congress
he shouldn't have the power to tell the Executive what to do, but he holds the power of the purse to limit the budget
EXACTLY
I don't fault Woodward for the Pelini or (to a lesser extent) Linehan hires. But I DO fault him for agreeing to the insane Pelini contract. It was stupid on day one relative to Pelini's market value and it is 1000X dumber today in light of Pelini's performance and the absolute devastation of the athletic budget.
It's Woodward's job to understand the market. If (and more likely, when) O comes in and says he wants to hire (insert washed up coach with minimal demand) then Woodward has to set a reasonable salary limit right then and there. "Ed. No one else wants to hire that guy. But if you do, fine. However, the most I'm am going to pay is $(realistic market value). If you can get him for that, ok. If not. Look elsewhere".
That's not micromanaging. That simply saying we are not willing to grossly overpay market value for your choice. And if your choice doesn't have a particularly high market value...then there is probably a good reason.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:20 am to Big4SALTbro
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Scott was in a pretty tough position coming off the greatest season ever, you had to give O a big raise.
That's bullshite. Unless I'm wrong, I don't think Woodward was contractually obligated to give O a big raise. Now, did O earn a bump in pay? Sure. But that didn't mean LSU had to make him the second highest paid coach in the land. Ed's demand wasn't that high relative to the programs who were (a) willing to pay a huge salary to a football coach and (b) of a status to have great success (no other school in the last 20+ years has had THREE different HC's win national championships). If someone else wanted to offer O a massive salary to leave, then that would have been a different story and LSU would be in a strong position to match/exceed to keep O. There was a reasonable middle ground and Woodward didn't take it.
O's humility got him the job. The "binder" plan was him agreeing he be paid "less" relative to other power players, but use the "savings" to put together a tremendous staff of the best and brightest assistants. It ulimately worked. Then, the plan was completely thrown in the trash. O immediately wanted huge money. And while LSU was still willing to pay a ton for assistants, the two knuckleheads O picked didn't seem to have the market value of the "best and brightest".
So now the AD is looking at the highest paid coaching staff in the country...producing a terrible season where the players look completely unprepared...before just quitting...at a time where athletic budgets are so devastated it is difficult to swallow any big changes. And if it makes you feel any better, Alabama just came in here and, for about $100k LESS (combined salaries of HC/OC/DC) made LSU look like they didn't even belong on the same field
Posted on 12/9/20 at 9:44 am to Big4SALTbro
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O should have been able to find a legit DC
This is the problem. O thought he did find a legit DC. He was wrong about a coordinator hire, again.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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i will say this. Woodward allowing O to hire BoP for that insane salary is a terrible look for him
Nope - what he does now is what determines how he looks in all this, though
Posted on 12/9/20 at 11:34 am to DBG
No if O is retained he has to make his own hires. Though I have said before if it is necessary to clean house it may be best to not retain O and just clean house.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 4:37 pm to Srobi14
You have to let a coach make his own hires. If you don't trust him to do that, then he needs to be fired.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 4:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
well O cashed in his credibility chips at the right time...sort of like Miles promoting Mallaveto at the height of his powers following his championship
and TAF, who's actually footing the bill for the hires probably didn't sneeze at that contract pre-COVID
and TAF, who's actually footing the bill for the hires probably didn't sneeze at that contract pre-COVID
Posted on 12/9/20 at 4:55 pm to BilJ
and as bad as Bo is, I think Linehan was an even worse hire.
while I can't grasp the salary you gave Bo I can understand the thinking behind it.
Linehan I just don't know what the frick he was thinking. It doesn't jive with what you built toward with Brady
while I can't grasp the salary you gave Bo I can understand the thinking behind it.
Linehan I just don't know what the frick he was thinking. It doesn't jive with what you built toward with Brady
Posted on 12/9/20 at 4:56 pm to DBG
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if Scott Woodward feels it’s necessary to have input on who our assistant coaches are, he needs to fire O immediately
So since Alleva did this with O, its almost like O shouldn't have been the hire in the first place
Posted on 12/9/20 at 5:00 pm to DBG
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What is the evidence for this? Woodward and Bo didn’t overlap at LSU
This is the article I had read on the Pelini-Woodward relationship:
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The Nebraska coach and UW athletic director Scott Woodward are good friends owing to mutual ties to LSU, and Woodward admits that had there been a chance, he would have talked to Pelini when looking to hire a coach following the 2008 season.
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So when the time came to hire a coach in 2008, Woodward instead called Pelini merely for advice — with Pelini helping to nudge Woodward toward his eventual hire of Steve Sarkisian. “We talked and he had an enormous amount of respect for coach Sarkisian and thought the world of him,” Woodward said.
This post was edited on 12/9/20 at 5:02 pm
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