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re: Could Saban really have the same success at Texas?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:17 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:17 pm to MontyFranklyn
Because its not ran by Bama grads. 
Seriously it was the first one I went to, I'm not spending anymore time on it.
Anyone with any sense would see my point is proven. The talent pool in Texas is significantly better, no all the elite players do not go to their in state school, but the big state schools get around 75 percent of the in state guys they recruit.
Seriously it was the first one I went to, I'm not spending anymore time on it.
Anyone with any sense would see my point is proven. The talent pool in Texas is significantly better, no all the elite players do not go to their in state school, but the big state schools get around 75 percent of the in state guys they recruit.
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:18 pm to beaver
quote:
Texas is the top CFB job
There is no single "top job".If you asked 50 coaches what they considered their dream job, you'd
probably get at least 20 different answers. For instance, I doubt nightlife or the SXSW festival is high on Nick's list of criteria, but it might be for Bret Bielema.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:19 pm to tigerjab
Rivals:
2014 (so far):
Alabama - 1
Texas - 11
2013:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 24
2012:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 2
2011:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 3
2010:
Alabama - 5
Texas - 3
2009:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 5
2008:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 14
And on 247, Alabama is ahead of Texas (number one in 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, and leading in 2014) in every year besides 2010.
Just trying to get people to realize Scout is awful.
2014 (so far):
Alabama - 1
Texas - 11
2013:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 24
2012:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 2
2011:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 3
2010:
Alabama - 5
Texas - 3
2009:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 5
2008:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 14
And on 247, Alabama is ahead of Texas (number one in 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, and leading in 2014) in every year besides 2010.
Just trying to get people to realize Scout is awful.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:21 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
Well why didn't he have success at MSU and LSU compared to Bama?
this isn't the sec rant breh. your shite is weak.
he won 2 western crowns, 2 sec titles and a national title in 3 years (01-03). like someone else said, he was creating a monster. 05-07 may have been his best teams and he didn't even coach them. had he stayed through at least 2008 he has at least one more national title and at least one sec/secw.
his 2 years in the pros made him a much better coach and bama has reaped the benefits.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:22 pm to Kcoyote
quote:
Just trying to get people to realize Scout is awful.
Why, Because you don't agree with it?
Or because Alabama should be #1 every year?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:22 pm to genro
quote:
Why did Saban significantly better in five years at Bama than five years at LSU? How do you justify that? Just dumb luck?
I,m not sure the word significantly would apply but
there are different reasons... if you want one it would have to be the qb play for LSU over the last couple of years of that span
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:22 pm to genro
Again... Do coaches not get better with experience? Had Saban stayed at lsu he had built a foundation for significant sustained success. He figured developed a blueprint for success in the sec while at lsu and then implemented it quickly when he got to Bama.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:22 pm to genro
quote:Yes Genro, its luck. He can only be lucky at Bama, but he will be truly be good at Texas because the program is sooooo much better.
Why did Saban significantly better in five years at Bama than five years at LSU? How do you justify that? Just dumb luck?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:23 pm to genro
quote:
Why did Saban significantly better in five years at Bama than five years at LSU? How do you justify that? Just dumb luck?
Saban had fewer than three losses in a season only one time at LSU. OTOH, he's had three or more losses in a season only two times at Bama in seven years. Despite coaching at Bama for two more seasons, he still has fewer losses at Bama than he had at LSU. That just shows you the gap between the two programs.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:25 pm to St Augustine
I'll agree with you on all of that.
However LSU has a bigger state, a wealthier state, a much bigger talent pool, AND no in state competition. They have a huge advantage over Bama much like Texas does. Since those things are so important, wouldn't that have made a bigger difference?
However LSU has a bigger state, a wealthier state, a much bigger talent pool, AND no in state competition. They have a huge advantage over Bama much like Texas does. Since those things are so important, wouldn't that have made a bigger difference?
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:26 pm to MontyFranklyn
More success actually
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:27 pm to Bench McElroy
quote:I was just about to post the same thing. You are spot on, but don't tell that to them
Saban had fewer than three losses in a season only one time at LSU. OTOH, he's had three or more losses in a season only two times at Bama in seven years. Despite coaching at Bama for two more seasons, he still has fewer losses at Bama than he had at LSU. That just shows you the gap between the two programs.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:28 pm to Bench McElroy
You need to factor in that Saban is probably a better coach and recruiter than he was at LSU. He's a hard worker and has drive and has improved himself along the way.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:31 pm to Kcoyote
quote:
Rivals:
2014 (so far):
Alabama - 1
Texas - 11
2013:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 24
2012:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 2
2011:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 3
2010:
Alabama - 5
Texas - 3
2009:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 5
2008:
Alabama - 1
Texas - 14
Why did you only post the years Saban was at Alabama?
My entire point was to prove that you take Saban out of the equation and it is easier to recruit at Texas.
Saban recruiting at Texas > Saban recruiting at Alabama.
2007
Alabama - 10
Texas - 5
2006
Alabama - 11
Texas - 5
2005
Alabama - 18
Texas - 20
2004
Alabama - 24
Texas - 18
2003
Alabama - 49
Texas - 15
2002
Alabama - 30
Texas - 1
And yes I do realize this is by know means a perfect image. Alabama was on probation, the coaches recruiting at those schools weren't equal, there are other factors.
USC managed to pull in some pretty solid recruiting classes during probation because they are viewed as an elite program in an elite recruiting state. Texas is very similar, Alabama is an elite program but not in an elite recruiting state, it is not a knock on Alabama, it's the truth.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:33 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
Well why didn't he have success at MSU and LSU compared to Bama?
MSU was his first stop and was a "little brother"
if Sabes had stayed at LSU 2005-2007? we'd have won 2 or 3 titles likely. those teams were STACKED when he left
he had to build up LSU. Bama was in a better talent position when he took over. Plus i truly believe that he became a better coach after his NFL stint. he switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and he had to work harder to get the right offense
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
he also learned to trust his qb after 11/5
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:39 pm to genro
Again Saban was building significant success at lsu which historically was not as good a program as Texas is, he left before enjoying the fruits of his recruiting classes, improved facilities, and overall improved image of the program that he was essentially responsible for. He gained experience at lsu and then at the highest level and then took the lsu blueprint and newfound realization of just how badly he needed competent qb play(his reason for "failure" at the nfl level).
He is absolutely on top of his game and All of cfb over the past 5 years. THAT is the coach Texas would get. Texas also is only a handful of years removed from a title game appearance and a huge 10 win season streak. Saban going there would catapult it to the pinnacle of cfb.
But Bama fans on sec rant are free to believe it's some kind of Bama mythos responsible for his success at Bama.
He is absolutely on top of his game and All of cfb over the past 5 years. THAT is the coach Texas would get. Texas also is only a handful of years removed from a title game appearance and a huge 10 win season streak. Saban going there would catapult it to the pinnacle of cfb.
But Bama fans on sec rant are free to believe it's some kind of Bama mythos responsible for his success at Bama.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:40 pm to S
in 2004 sabes really did show that he believed that "his defense" was unstoppable and he didn't change much
this left our CBs exposed and teams just lofted up sideline jump balls when we showed blitz (every play almost)
going to the NFL, being exposed to all that new stuff, and failing, really did make him better. he's not nearly as stagnant now than he was even at LSU when we were doing well
this left our CBs exposed and teams just lofted up sideline jump balls when we showed blitz (every play almost)
going to the NFL, being exposed to all that new stuff, and failing, really did make him better. he's not nearly as stagnant now than he was even at LSU when we were doing well
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:41 pm to S
quote:didn't trust him on 11/30 or maybe he didn't trust the o-line or the receivers. I'm not sure, but I know he didn't trust Drake, that's for sure
he also learned to trust his qb after 11/5
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:43 pm to MontyFranklyn
obviously it should be easier for him to succeed there than at Alabama.
Better recruiting territory
Unlimited resources
Easier road to wining his conference
Upcoming playoff system which places an emphasis on winning your conference.
Saban has been tremendous at Alabama but has won the SEC exactly twice since getting there (2009, 2012) seven seasons ago. He can probably win the Big 12 at Texas more than 50% of the time and perhaps more.
Better recruiting territory
Unlimited resources
Easier road to wining his conference
Upcoming playoff system which places an emphasis on winning your conference.
Saban has been tremendous at Alabama but has won the SEC exactly twice since getting there (2009, 2012) seven seasons ago. He can probably win the Big 12 at Texas more than 50% of the time and perhaps more.
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