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re: Could Saban really have the same success at Texas?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:56 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:56 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
What does this have to do with UT or UA? Not all of those guys stay in state and play for the state university
I didn't originally post it I quoted it and responded to it and I could care less if its about UA or UT its in the thread and I responded and I already know not all players are from the state but a vast majority of them are...
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:57 pm to UHTiger
Google greatest college football programs of all time. You'll probably find a bunch of lists. I haven't done it but I can guarantee you the top 5 will be something like Alabama, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, etc
Not Texas
Not Texas
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:57 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
Well i was under the impression that all of his success at Bama was due to luck. I guess he won't need luck at Texas huh?
What are you even arguing here?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:57 pm to dgtiger3
quote:Not all of them can go to Texas and not all the ones that do will actually make it to the NFL so to state that a program is better simply because of the amount of recruits they produce is asinine and furthermore, they didn't just start producing NFL talent in the state so you point is stupid because apparently they haven't done much with the talent they have had. I mean seriously, Bob Stoops owns Texas
You have to be trolling.
Do you really want me to pull up the yearly recruiting rankings between the two schools before Saban got to Alabama? Saban is a great coach but what makes him a legendary coach is the fact that he works tirelessly in recruiting and plays with a superior team almost every single game he coaches in. Look at the differences between his first seasons at Alabama and LSU and every year after that.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:57 pm to beaver
quote:
Kentucky is the top CBB job and Texas is the top CFB job
Negative on that. UCLA and North Carolina are both better jobs than Kentucky.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:59 pm to St Augustine
quote:I guess your sarcasm reader is off, but i will explain. Most LSU fans says that Saban is not good, but only lucky so which is it? Will he be good at Texas but can only be lucky at Bama?
What are you even arguing here?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:01 pm to MontyFranklyn
Sorry I actually like to focus on reality. Why I tend to not partake in the sec rant/tiger rant.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:02 pm to St Augustine
quote:So Saban is the goat? Well why didn't he have success at MSU and LSU compared to Bama?
Sorry I actually like to focus on reality.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:04 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
So Saban is the goat? Well why didn't he have success at MSU and LSU compared to Bama?
Well, in fairness, he did gain a bit of experience between MSU and Alabama...
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:04 pm to MontyFranklyn
Scout.com
2002
1. Texas
15. LSU
37. Alabama
2003
2. LSU
14. Texas
45. Alabama
2004
2. LSU
10. Texas
19. Alabama
2005
13. Texas
16. Alabama
19. LSU
2006
3. Texas
7. LSU
18. Alabama
2007
3. Texas
5. LSU
22. Alabama
2008
1. Alabama
7. LSU
16. Texas
2009
2. Alabama
3. LSU
7. Texas
2010
3. Texas
4. Alabama
7. LSU
2011
3. Texas
7. Alabama
8. LSU
2012
1. Texas
2. Alabama
6. LSU
2013
1. Alabama
9. LSU
23. Texas
Can someone try and figure out what Alabama class was Nick Saban's first?
2002
1. Texas
15. LSU
37. Alabama
2003
2. LSU
14. Texas
45. Alabama
2004
2. LSU
10. Texas
19. Alabama
2005
13. Texas
16. Alabama
19. LSU
2006
3. Texas
7. LSU
18. Alabama
2007
3. Texas
5. LSU
22. Alabama
2008
1. Alabama
7. LSU
16. Texas
2009
2. Alabama
3. LSU
7. Texas
2010
3. Texas
4. Alabama
7. LSU
2011
3. Texas
7. Alabama
8. LSU
2012
1. Texas
2. Alabama
6. LSU
2013
1. Alabama
9. LSU
23. Texas
Can someone try and figure out what Alabama class was Nick Saban's first?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:05 pm to genro
quote:
Google greatest college football programs of all time. You'll probably find a bunch of lists. I haven't done it but I can guarantee you the top 5 will be something like Alabama, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, etc
Not Texas
Yeah, my top five programs of all-time are Notre Dame, Bama, USC, Oklahoma and Michigan. Texas is a level below those programs. They don't have the history of a Notre Dame or Michigan and have never been as dominant as a Bama, USC and Oklahoma. They're more on the level of a Nebraska or Tennessee than a Notre Dame, Bama, USC and Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:07 pm to MontyFranklyn
So coaches can't improve over time? Saban was building a monster at lsu, I think he would've absolutely had another title or likely two there. The 06 LSU team was immensely talented and lsu won it all in 07. With better coaching they very likely win it all both those years or come very close. Given the talent lsu has recruited over the last few years as well, I think he would've sustained success rather easily.
Bama's past has absolutely nothing to do with Saban's current success.
Bama's past has absolutely nothing to do with Saban's current success.
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:08 pm to dgtiger3
quote:Why did you use Scout? Why not do a comparative between all major services?
Scout.com
2002
1. Texas
15. LSU
37. Alabama
2003
2. LSU
14. Texas
45. Alabama
2004
2. LSU
10. Texas
19. Alabama
2005
13. Texas
16. Alabama
19. LSU
2006
3. Texas
7. LSU
18. Alabama
2007
3. Texas
5. LSU
22. Alabama
2008
1. Alabama
7. LSU
16. Texas
2009
2. Alabama
3. LSU
7. Texas
2010
3. Texas
4. Alabama
7. LSU
2011
3. Texas
7. Alabama
8. LSU
2012
1. Texas
2. Alabama
6. LSU
2013
1. Alabama
9. LSU
23. Texas
Can someone try and figure out what Alabama class was Nick Saban's first?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:09 pm to St Augustine
quote:Oh, okay.
Bama's past has absolutely nothing to do with Satan's current success.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:10 pm to dgtiger3
quote:
Can someone try and figure out what Alabama class was Nick Saban's first?
You do realize that Bama was on probation for most of those years, right? It's hard to recruit when you have to deal with a two year bowl ban and a loss of 20+ scholarships.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:10 pm to St Augustine
quote:Our past is what gives us an expectation to win. Our fanbase is unlike any other in their high expectations. We pour our resources into winning, because of this expectation. And this expectation exists because of our past.
Bama's past has absolutely nothing to do with Satan's current success.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:10 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:
I guess your sarcasm reader is off, but i will explain. Most LSU fans says that Saban is not good, but only lucky so which is it? Will he be good at Texas but can only be lucky at Bama?
MOST lsu fans do not think that Saban is just lucky...You shouldn't keep believing just what the same posters continue to say...the majority know how good he is, and yes Saban could duplicate at Texas what he has done at bama
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:13 pm to St Augustine
quote:truth. 2005-2007 LSU were very talented teams who looked like Bama. Big tough defenses. Although I don't think Saban would've won any more NCs bc Katrina screwed up 2005 (besides, UT and USC) were going no matter what), and Refgate torpedoed 2006. The Fla loss in 2006 was a fluky turnover fest that I don't know if I can blame on coaching.
Saban was building a monster at lsu, I think he would've absolutely had another title or likely two there. The 06 LSU team was immensely talented and lsu won it all in 07
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:15 pm to genro
As much as it will disappoint you, your expectations don't mean a damn thing in eyes of someone who is truly great like Saban approaches things. He has plenty enough self motivation and drive to worry about what a bunch of fans think. The resources given the program is the only statement of relevance in your post and those are equaled by other top programs. Sorry to burst your myopic bubble.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 2:16 pm to St Augustine
Why did Saban significantly better in five years at Bama than five years at LSU? How do you justify that? Just dumb luck?
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