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Could Saban really have the same success at Texas?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:31 pm
Is his success due to him being at Alabama? He didn't have nearly the same success as LSU or MSU. The situation makes me think of Kentucky basketball. Lets take Rick Patino for example. While at Kentucky he had them rolling like a juggernaut should. Plucking all the top talent he wanted and kicking arse with no mercy. Then he leaves and the program falls off a bit. He comes back to Louisville and it takes him 10 years to win a title, but has had several Final Four appearances. Not bad, but no where near what he was doing at Kentucky. If he had stayed he would have reigned over CBB like a dark cloud for as long as he wanted. So is it the program or the coach?
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:33 pm to MontyFranklyn
are you implying texas isnt on the same level?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:34 pm to Tiguar
quote:Show me evidence historically that they are
are you implying texas isnt on the same level?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:35 pm to Tiguar
Texas is nowhere near the level of Alabama. Not now, not ever before.
If we're talking about actual football
If we're talking about actual football
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:35 pm to MontyFranklyn
I think Saban was becoming a better and better coach at lsu, he's improved throughout his career. To say he wouldn't have more, or at least equal success in a state with an exponentially better recruiting base, better facilities, and a significantly more attractive city to recruit to on a national scale is pretty myopic.
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:35 pm to MontyFranklyn
Lord Saban would dominate all of CFB at the school in Austin.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:36 pm to MontyFranklyn
Wait
Are you saying Texas is the Louisville to As Bama is to Kentucky?
Kentucky is the top CBB job and Texas is the top CFB job
Are you saying Texas is the Louisville to As Bama is to Kentucky?
Kentucky is the top CBB job and Texas is the top CFB job
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:39 pm to beaver
quote:Where the frick are you all getting this idea from? Where in history has Texas ever been consistently dominate? Miami dominated football over a longer period of time than Texas could have ever dreamed of. Fact
Texas is the top CFB job
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:39 pm to MontyFranklyn
If you're so convinced that it has more to do with Bama than Saban, then why are you Gumps so worried about losing him?
And for the record, if Saban had stayed at LSU, there is no doubt in my mind that LSU would have duplicated what Alabama has done.
And for the record, if Saban had stayed at LSU, there is no doubt in my mind that LSU would have duplicated what Alabama has done.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:40 pm to Tiguar
Congrats on them playing Austin CC for 40 years.
Now let's look at 10-win seasons, 12-win seasons, bowl appearances, bowl victories, AP titles, BCS titles, Coaches Titles, conference championships, and legendary coaches
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:41 pm to MontyFranklyn
They have the most resources, largest fan base, capable of paying the most, endless recruiting pool without ever even having to leave the state if you want...etc. Would you not consider this the best job?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:42 pm to genro
careful genro, your logic is showing
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:43 pm to Laman1978
Not if their administration is a joke. Not if have to deal with a ridiculous amount of cronyism and bullshite.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:43 pm to MontyFranklyn
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NFL PLAYER BREAKDOWN BY STATE
1. California 225
2. Florida 186
3. Texas 184
4. Georgia 95
5. Ohio 74
6. New Jersey 63
7. Louisiana 62
8. Pennsylvania 58
9. South Carolina 54
10. Virginia 50
11. Alabama 48
12. North Carolina 46
13. Michigan 43
14. Illinois 37
15. Tennessee 35
16. Mississippi 32
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:43 pm to Laman1978
quote:Did they just get all of these things? They have had them before and couldn't get it done but once in the past 40 years so whats different now?
They have the most resources, largest fan base, capable of paying the most, endless recruiting pool without ever even having to leave the state if you want...etc.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:44 pm to genro
And 18 years olds could give two shits about that.
There is significantly more talent in Texas that Saban could lock down.
Any non biased observer would agree that it is a more attractive town.
The facilities are at absolute worst equivalent to that of Bama.
Saban would absolutely wreck shop there and Bama having some legendary coach that has been dead for longer than these kids are alive isn't going to be a factor at all.
There is significantly more talent in Texas that Saban could lock down.
Any non biased observer would agree that it is a more attractive town.
The facilities are at absolute worst equivalent to that of Bama.
Saban would absolutely wreck shop there and Bama having some legendary coach that has been dead for longer than these kids are alive isn't going to be a factor at all.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:44 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Is his success due to him being at Alabama? He didn't have nearly the same success as LSU or MSU. The situation makes me think of Kentucky basketball. Lets take Rick Patino for example. While at Kentucky he had them rolling like a juggernaut should. Plucking all the top talent he wanted and kicking arse with no mercy. Then he leaves and the program falls off a bit. He comes back to Louisville and it takes him 10 years to win a title, but has had several Final Four appearances. Not bad, but no where near what he was doing at Kentucky. If he had stayed he would have reigned over CBB like a dark cloud for as long as he wanted. So is it the program or the coach?
Yes he would have...he had the #1 offensive line class coming in the year he left and things would have just kept rolling...
Yes he has had success at Bama but also be realistic he has had a lot of luck too in playing Texas without Colt McCoy, getting put in the NC game after not winning your division over Okie State the Big 12 champions and you get into the NC game again because Ohio State was on probation or CUM would have been lifting the crystal ball after Ohio State would have crushed ND like Bama did...
Credit is due though you put yourself into those positions by winning and keeping yourself in position to walk through that door if the opportunity presents itself...
Saban is the GOAT as far as I'm concerned...
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:44 pm to MontyFranklyn
The difference is they don't have a guy like Saban. They have an old has been.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 1:44 pm to genro
Texas
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Alabama
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alabama appears to have a slight edge (less conference championships, but SEC) but saying "its not even close" or suggesting UT isn't at least a peer is asinine and hackish
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Conferences: Big 12, SWC and Ind Conference Champion: 29 Times Bowls: 51 Bowls, 27-22-2, .549 W-L% (Major Bowls) Ranked in AP Poll: 50 Times (Preseason), 46 Times (Final), 702 Weeks (Total)
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Alabama
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Conferences: SEC, Southern and Ind Conference Champion: 23 Times Bowls: 60 Bowls, 35-22-3, .608 W-L% (Major Bowls) Ranked in AP Poll: 47 Times (Preseason), 50 Times (Final), 709 Weeks (Total)
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alabama appears to have a slight edge (less conference championships, but SEC) but saying "its not even close" or suggesting UT isn't at least a peer is asinine and hackish
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