Better spot for Harbaugh - Vegas or Chicago?

Vegas

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were expecting to get a team that was supposed to be immediately competitive.

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Vegas is in the playoffs.

They have the better roster and QB. The answer is Vegas over Chicago. Derek Carr is a really good QB. You have one of the better RB’s and TE’s in the league.

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Vegas is in the playoffs.

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True, but Jim Plunkett isn't walking through that door, so they're more likely to be cannon-fodder than they are to have any actual success in the playoffs.

(yeah, sorry, gotta be a geezer to get that one )

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They have the better roster and QB.
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Derek Carr is a really good QB. You have one of the better RB’s and TE’s in the league.

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And, that's my point exactly. What, exactly, has Vegas done that inspires any confidence in their ability to build a consistent winner? They've made abysmal draft picks over the last 5 years, failed to provide any additional support for the few good players they DO have, and have absolutely mishandled their coaching hires for decades.

And that's entirely the fault of the owner and his management team. That organization stinks of institutional cancer from the head down, and it's been that way for a over five decades.

I've watched (and hated) the Raiders for a LONG time, going back to the days of Madden, Stabler, Marcus Allen, Lyle Alzado, Jack Tatum and the rest of the goon squad.

They're no different now than they were then: a Davis calls the shots, and everyone else is expected to do as they're told.

Organizationally, the Raiders have never tried to actually build a team. Instead, they chase stars and then try to fill in the blanks afterwards and hope for the best.

Al Davis was notorious for interfering with actually managing (and sometimes even coaching) his teams. His son has taken it to a new level by building an entire ORGANIZATION that perpetuates that dysfunction instead of committing to creating a winning team.

In terms of interfering with their team, the Davis' make Jerry Jones look like a third-grader.

And that's not going to change if Harbaugh takes that job. It'll only change if Davis sells the team, which he won't, because - like his daddy - it's the centerpiece of his ego.

Again, my opinion, but if the Raiders have any success in this year's playoffs, it'll be DESPITE the interference and incompetence of their head office, not because of anything they've done to build a winning team.

I still think that, overall, Chicago is the better long-term option for ANY coach that wants to build a competitive and winning organization, regardless of what pieces they may (or may not) have relative to the Raiders.

Miami?

Vegas all day any day. Chicago is a dumpster fire and David Carr is young and way better than Justin Fields.

Vegas as an opportunity right now is light years better than Chicago. Gruden cleared a bunch of clutter on the roster, and they are in good position to build on a playoff team. Chicago has a couple of good pieces but they are too top-heavy on contracts to a few players. They need a lot of work.

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Miami?

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That would be my choice if I were him. Young and hungry team in a state with great weather and no state income tax. I'd rate the teams as Miami > Vegas >>>>>>>>> Chicago. As a matter of a fact, you couldn't pay me enough to coach in Chicago with their crappy weather and all of the taxes they'd take from me.

Vegas. No state tax. Who wants to give money to Lightfoot and other crazies there?

Vegas

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That would be my choice if I were him. Young and hungry team in a state with great weather and no state income tax. I'd rate the teams as Miami > Vegas >>>>>>>>> Chicago. As a matter of a fact, you couldn't pay me enough to coach in Chicago with their crappy weather and all of the taxes they'd take from me.

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I totally agree except I can’t figure out why Miami fired their coach. I think they won 8 out of the last 9 games. They played hard once they got some momentum rolling and players back off injury. They sure seem like a team with a young nucleus that can be built upon. That defense was strong during that win streak. Not sure I’d want to coach where they fire you for going on a 7 straight win streak and winning the last 8 of 9. I’m not sure why the Raiders would want to fire their interim coach. Anyone that can navigate that turmoil they had going on this year ought to be commended. My gosh they had so many distractions that I’m surprised the players and coaches didn’t throw in the towel around week 10.