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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by Soul Gleaux
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:00 pm to
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With last night's reveal we now know it's a good possibility he's been changed to an Other.


Pretty sure the ability to change a human into an Other is an infant only type of thing, otherwise why would the Others kill anybody?
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:08 pm to
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And i wouldn't be a bit surprised if man is the evil the wall is meant to protect against.

yup
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:11 pm to
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And i wouldn't be a bit surprised if man is the evil the wall is meant to protect against.


Eh, The White Walkers seem like they are pretty much 100% evil
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:17 pm to
I like to think Benjen is still alive in human form--perhaps as a hostage/prisoner of the Others.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:19 pm to
So much crack in this thread lately
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:30 pm to
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Because of the reveal last night from the show I would say that this is a strong possibility and probably likely to be what happens.

I have to do more research but it may even have paved the way or hinted at Jon becoming the Great Other


Whatever y'all are smoking, it must be some really good shite!

I don't think that I'm going out on too much of a limb here by saying NO, Jon will not be a WW, a wight, the Great Other...y'all just stop. Did I miss the part where there was an Other standing by when Jon got stabbed who was able to bring him back? If the theory is that they send his dead body north of the wall and then the Others change him, do you think the Wildlings, or the brothers of the NW, for that matter, would do that and not burn him knowing what happens to dead bodies left on the other side?

My money is still on Mel bringing him back Thoros-style or that he never died at all and didn't need to be brought back. I'm leaning toward the former because we know that she knows that Jon is AA (another obvious reason Jon won't become a WW)and from the fact that she knew what was going to happen and was in the vicinity when it went down. We also have the foreshadowing with the detour in the show of Mel meeting Thoros and being particularly interested in how he brought BD back. I also still believe that this will be Jon's "out" to leave the NW.

And whatever Colhhands is, he is more like the WW and the wights than he is like the living, and he can't enter or cross the wall. Men can. Based on that alone I think it's safe to assume that the wall was meant to protect the South, not the North.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 12:32 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:31 pm to
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perhaps as a hostage/prisoner of the Others.


they don't seem the type to take prisoners
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:34 pm to
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So much crack in this thread lately


Amen, my brother! Also, I just realized that the Hound himself is a little extra-crispy, which makes your avatar that much more awesome!
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 12:47 pm to
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If the Others are good, then why does a 60 story 300 mile long wall separate them?


Bran the Builder built the wall. Bran Stark is the night's king, and was a lord commander, along with potentially all of the first 13 LC's. What makes you think the others didn't build the wall? The huge wall made of ice. Who is more likely to have built it? The southerners or the people we just saw in an ice castle? Just something to think about.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:00 pm to
I can say safely that the Night's Watch built the Wall and not the Others.

Also I now feel safe in saying after that episode, Coldhands is one of the Others.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:07 pm to
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The White Walkers seem like they are pretty much 100% evil


Can you give some evidence as to why you think this? So far I have never seen anything to indicate they are good or evil. They did kill those members of the NW in the first prologue but we have no clue as to what may have caused them to do that
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:11 pm to
Bran the Builder built the Wall
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:11 pm to
Do the Others speak the Common Tongue though?? We know Coldhands does. .
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:18 pm to
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Pretty sure the ability to change a human into an Other is an infant only type of thing, otherwise why would the Others kill anybody?


I think babies are preferable since they haven't had a mind or a personality yet, and most personalities I think would not be good for the others. They need a cold and ruthless soul to possess.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:20 pm to
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Do the Others speak the Common Tongue though?? We know Coldhands does. .


If the theory that they can turn adults into full forms of themselves, I see no reason why certain Others wouldn't know the Common Tongue.
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:22 pm to
Cold Hands isn't an other, if anything last night solidified this. We have seen live people turned, and we have seen dead people turned, they all have blue eyes. Cold Hands had black eyes and rode an elk, a living elk.

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I think babies are preferable since they haven't had a mind or a personality yet, and most personalities I think would not be good for the others. They need a cold and ruthless soul to possess.


That, or only craster's line can be turned. The original night's king was sacrificing babies to the others just like craster. So there is enough information to assume that craster's line could potentially be the same as that "unholy union" between bran stark and the female other. Explaining why his gifts to the gods were important, and why the others don't just steal wildling children.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:27 pm to
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in an ice castle?


Where is this ice castle?


Do you people not have HDTV?

It was a mountain and a tiny Stonehenge structure.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:28 pm to
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Bran the Builder built the Wall**



** Started construction of the wall, which was then added to by generations of Night's Watch "builders" who maintained and raised the wall to it's current size.

Posted by skirpnasty
Atlantis
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:32 pm to
Jesus man, Ice Castle was a placeholder for Ice Shrine in the middle of the heart of winter.

Bran started the wall, my point is still the same. I will say that we don't know that the guy we saw is the night's king. Something else interesting I just read is that the first hero rode out with 12 companions. I wish someone on one of the serious nerd forums would figure out what significance the shrine itself could have.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 1:37 pm to
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Jesus man, Ice Castle


I've seen Ice City, Ice fortress, etc. I thought you were saying the Others had some big Ice City.

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