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Posted on 1/30/14 at 8:21 am to
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 8:21 am to
Plus maesters hate magic and are thought to be behind the extinction of dragons.

Didn't Marwyn know Qyburn too?
Posted by thatguy1892
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 9:34 am to
He talks about him a one point. From what I've read on the wiki, he also tried to say that prophecies are BS and Aemon was a crazy old frick that could have been king. It also says that he's heading for Dany. I think the Warlocks are the Others creators,and Marwyn is going to try to stop her and the dragons, because dragons basically WMDs for the Others.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 10:36 am to
Who do you think Marwyn is?

My best guess is he is a Hightower maybe?

Second guess is he is an Umber
This post was edited on 1/30/14 at 10:52 am
Posted by Analyze That
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 10:51 am to
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dragons


Speaking of dragons, how big was Balerion? In AGoT Tyrion said that Balerion's skull was large enough to swallow an aurochs whole, or even a mammoth. Arya described (what I believe to be Balerion's skull) to have teeth that were as long and sharp as long swords (which were 2.75'-3' long.) So long must Balerion have been from snout to tail? From one wing tip to another?

IMO he may have been as long as a football field and a wingspan of twice that size. To feed such an animal it would seem that it would be most efficient to do so through the sea on Krakens, Leviathans, and whales, and by land perhaps long ranging hunts for mammoths and wild aurochs north of the wall and across the narrow sea.

The logistics of maintaining a beast such as Balerion is mind boggling, let alone 2 other very large dragons in Meraxes and Vhaegar. It would further seem to me that the Dragon riders would have to spend a very large amount of time with their dragons to keep them half domesticated, much like the Starks with their Direwolves. And, as of recent events, Dany has spent a year being rather neglectful of them, which would explain their rather wild behavior.
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 10:59 am to
But why on earth would he trust a Tyrell to be on his Kingsgaurd? You know Loras is always going to put glory and power for his family ahead of his Kingsgaurd duties
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:10 am to
I think the Tyrells are going to be screwed in the last 2 books. There are more mainhouse Tyrells than mainhouse Lannisters but I have a feeling of doom about them both.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:21 am to
A theory of mine is that Marwyn sent Satin to the Wall as a spy. Here goes..

I did a search for Oldtown Whores and came up with the Prologue to AFFC. It is said that Marwyn consorts with whores in Oldtown. Could he have been the one to send Satin? I visited AFFC:

Sam chewed on the question for a moment, wondering how much he ought to say. The sphinx is the riddle, not the riddler. Could Maester Aemon have meant this Sphinx? It seemed unlikely. "Lord Commander Snow sent him away to save his life," he began, hesitantly. He spoke awkwardly of King Stannis and Melisandre of Asshai, intending to stop at that, but one thing led to another and he found himself speaking of Mance Rayder and his wildlings, king's blood and dragons, and before he knew what was happening, all the rest came spilling out; the wights at the Fist of First Men, the Other on his dead horse, the murder of the Old Bear at Craster's Keep, Gilly and their flight, Whitetree and Small Paul, Coldhands and the ravens, Jon's becoming lord commander, the Blackbird, Dareon, Braavos, the dragons Xhondo saw in Qarth, the Cinnamon Wind and all that Maester Aemon whispered toward the end. He held back only the secrets that he was sworn to keep, about Bran Stark and his companions and the babes Jon Snow had swapped. "Daenerys is the only hope," he concluded. "Aemon said the Citadel must send her a maester at once, to bring her home to Westeros before it is too late."

...

When Sam hesitated, one of those hands grabbed him by the arm and yanked him through the door. The room beyond was large and round. Books and scrolls were everywhere, strewn across the tables and stacked up on the floor in piles four feet high. Faded tapestries and ragged maps covered the stone walls. A fire was burning in the hearth, beneath a copper kettle. Whatever was inside of it smelled burned. Aside from that, the only light came from a tall black candle in the center of the room.

The candle was unpleasantly bright. There was something queer about it. The flame did not flicker, even when Archmaester Marwyn closed the door so hard that papers blew off a nearby table. The light did something strange to colors too. Whites were bright as fresh-fallen snow, yellow shone like gold, reds turned to flame, but the shadows were so black they looked like holes in the world. Sam found himself staring. The candle itself was three feet tall and slender as a sword, ridged and twisted, glittering black. "Is that . . . ?"

". . . obsidian," said the other man in the room, a pale, fleshy, pasty-faced young fellow with round shoulders, soft hands, close-set eyes, and food stains on his robes.

"Call it dragonglass." Archmaester Marwyn glanced at the candle for a moment. "It burns but is not consumed."

"What feeds the flame?" asked Sam.

"What feeds a dragon's fire?" Marwyn seated himself upon a stool. "All Valyrian sorcery was rooted in blood or fire. The sorcerers of the Freehold could see across mountains, seas, and deserts with one of these glass candles. They could enter a man's dreams and give him visions, and speak to one another half a world apart, seated before their candles. Do you think that might be useful, Slayer?"

"We would have no more need of ravens."

"Only after battles." The archmaester peeled a sourleaf off a bale, shoved it in his mouth, and began to chew it. "Tell me all you told our Dornish sphinx. I know much of it and more, but some small parts may have escaped my notice."

So Marwyn is able to see what is happening at the wall. I suppose he could use the candles for this, but does there need to be one at the wall? Did Satin bring it? Has he been corresponding with Marwyn?
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:58 am to
I've always thought Satin was a spy, but not sure for who exactly. Some fans also think he is the perfumed seneschal. But what would Marwyn want with Jon Snow is beyond me, unless he was able to see with his candles that he is AAR??
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 11:59 am to
Satin always seemed to be exactly what he said he was to me.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:09 pm to
Just a gay whore?

I think something was up with him...he says "my lord" and knows how to write. I think there is more to him than what is presented at face value.

I also think Taena Merryweather was a spy working for either the Tyrells, Martells, or Varys.
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:25 pm to
Is this really the cover?

Horn of Joramun or Dragonbinder?

Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:42 pm to
quote:

All Valyrian sorcery was rooted in blood or fire.


So is all "blood magic" and Fire magic (Red God) essentially handed down from Valyria?
Posted by BamaSaint
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:52 pm to
New pics of Season 4 up on Facebook:
Dany and Daario (still no blue hair) Thoughts on the casting change?

Oberyn and Ellaria Sand

Jaime with the golden hand and Cersei
This post was edited on 1/30/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:54 pm to
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Thoughts on the casting change?


The Hodors will be confused as frick.
Posted by BamaSaint
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:58 pm to
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The Hodors will be confused as frick.

Yeah that will be kind of funny
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:03 pm to
Let's talk about hands. I have about 20% left in my reread of ADWD (did the boiled leather combo read and it was absolutely awesome.) Martin is obsessed with deformed hands:

Jon - burned hand
Jaime - gold hand
Victorian - black hand
Connington - gray hand
Theon - Mangled hand
Cold hands - cold hand
Tyrion - literal darwfed hand

Am I just chasing something that isn't there? Or is Martin foreshadowing something?
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

Thoughts on the casting change?

That sucks, I thought the other guy looked perfect for Daario
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

Jon - burned hand
Jaime - gold hand
Victorian - black hand
Connington - gray hand
Theon - Mangled hand
Cold hands - cold hand
Tyrion - literal darwfed hand

Maybe it ties in with the fact that pretty much everyone who gets appointed hand of the king dies
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:11 pm to
My thoughts:

Daario: still a douchebag and always will be. I want Barristan and/or Victarion to kill him in TWoW. Hodors will be confused as frick for sure as OMLandshark stated.

Oberyn and Ellaria: Perfect . Really looking forward to seeing their relationship on screen.

Jaime and Cersei: I'm wondering if that's when he tells her he wants to be out in the open and marry her and she gets pissy at him? Because she looks pissed in that picture. I'm really looking forward to seeing their relationship's downward spiral. Really looking forward to Jaime burning her letter in S5; that was such a great scene in the books.
Posted by Bigpoppat
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:24 pm to
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