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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 6/6/13 at 10:44 am to SetTheMood
Posted on 6/6/13 at 10:44 am to SetTheMood
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Then Tywin went all Tywin on her and had Black Walder carve her up like a watermelon.
Tywin had to ensure nor heir lived in order to maintain his plans for Tyrion and Sansa to take control of Winterfell.
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 10:48 am to glassman
Same here. 
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:08 am to BleedPurpleGold
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Robb's wife in the show = Robb's wife in the book with a different name
Not really. House Westerling are Lannister bannermen.
Talissa was from Volantis.
Highly different characters, and their relationships to Robb also make the Robb of the books different from the Robb of the TV show.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 11:41 am to Putty
quote:i could see that if Cersei was still in power
but who wants it to come down?
No freaking clue. But maybe there will be a reason the south wants it to come down...maybe?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 12:44 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Not really. House Westerling are Lannister bannermen.
Talissa was from Volantis.
I got this.
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Highly different characters, and their relationships to Robb also make the Robb of the books different from the Robb of the TV show.
I disagree. I don't see any story driving (in regard to the ending) differences between the two. Yes, they have different backgrounds, as bannermen to the Lannisters and Volantine nobles, but I don't see this as having any pertinent difference as to whether she brings Robb an heir who will play a part in the end game or not. Perhaps if the honeypot theory holds water in the books it would matter, but we have no hard evidence from the books of that, just from the show.
All I'm saying is, for purposes of a northern heir in the grander theme and conclusion of the series, the two characters as we see them now are no different.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:34 pm to BleedPurpleGold
I'm on the Davos/Manderly chapter in my re-read of Dance with Dragons.
I know the "north remembers" has been hashed out pretty good. But something else caught my attention in the chapter. Their is a passage of less than a page about the Wolf's Den being captured by slavers from the Stepstones when the really old King Edrick Stark grew too old and feeble. Then it was taken back by a Brandon Stark when a long cruel winter fell. He stripped the slavers naked and gave them to the slaves they had chained up. These hung the entrails of the slavers from the heart tree as an offering to the gods.
I wonder if there is anything to this and present (in the books) situation. It seems like some of the strongest and/or most loved characters have a strong anti-slavery conviction in common. The Starks - heck Ned even banished Jorah over it. Danny - most of her arc deals with fighting slavery. And of course their is the big cheese head priest who preaches to primarily slaves over in Volantis (I think that's the city). Not a beloved character but perhaps someone who has power by the number of his adherents.
I know the "north remembers" has been hashed out pretty good. But something else caught my attention in the chapter. Their is a passage of less than a page about the Wolf's Den being captured by slavers from the Stepstones when the really old King Edrick Stark grew too old and feeble. Then it was taken back by a Brandon Stark when a long cruel winter fell. He stripped the slavers naked and gave them to the slaves they had chained up. These hung the entrails of the slavers from the heart tree as an offering to the gods.
I wonder if there is anything to this and present (in the books) situation. It seems like some of the strongest and/or most loved characters have a strong anti-slavery conviction in common. The Starks - heck Ned even banished Jorah over it. Danny - most of her arc deals with fighting slavery. And of course their is the big cheese head priest who preaches to primarily slaves over in Volantis (I think that's the city). Not a beloved character but perhaps someone who has power by the number of his adherents.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:38 pm to Methuselah
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King Jon Stark raised the Wolf's Den to defend the mouth of the White Knife from raiders from the sea. It was the seat of younger sons, brothers, uncles and cousins to the King in the North. Some passed the castle to their sons and grandsons, and cadet branches of House Stark had arisen. The Greystarks lasted the longest, holding the Wolf's Den for five centuries, until they joined the Dreadfort in rebellion against the Starks of Winterfell.
After the Greystarks, the castle switched many hands. House Flint held it for century, and House Locke for almost two. Slates, Longs, Holts and Ashwoods held the Wolf's Den, charged by Winterfell to keep the river safe. Reavers from the Three Sisters took the castle once, and made it their toehold in the north. During the wars between the North and the Vale, it was besieged by Osgood Arryn, the Old Falcon, and burned by his son, called the Talon.
The Wolf's Den was captured by slavers from the Stepstones when Edrick Stark had grown too feeble to defend his realm. A long, cruel winter came that froze the White Knife, when the slavers were huddled around their fires, Edrick's great-grandson, the new king called "Ice Eyes", took back the Wolf's Den. He stripped the slavers naked and gave them to the slaves chained up in the dungeon. They, among those Ser Bartimus's ancestors, hung the slavers' entrails in the branches of the heart tree as an offering to the Old Gods.
A thousand years before the conquest the Manderlys took oaths before the old gods and the new to be the Starks of Winterfell's men forever in return for protection from their enemies and the land that became White Harbor.[2]
Ser Bartimus claims Wyman Manderly gave the Wolf's Den to him as a reward for saving his life at the Battle of the Trident.[
Posted on 6/6/13 at 1:40 pm to Methuselah
so the "Starks" were an off-shoot of the true Stark name (like Karstarks) and only thrived when the King was weak
Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:14 pm to manwich
The two cadet branches of Stark that I can think of are the Greystarks (long long ago) and the Karstarks (present GoT time).
Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:33 pm to manwich
Posted on 6/6/13 at 2:43 pm to Methuselah
quote:i think that's all that were mentioned. there were similar cadet branches of the Greyjoys or the Greyjoys were a branch of the Greyirons. i can't tell
The two cadet branches of Stark that I can think of are the Greystarks (long long ago) and the Karstarks (present GoT time).
Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:18 pm to manwich
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Posted on 6/10/13 at 12:25 pm to lpd1975
Well it's back to this thread now, seasons over, Hodors gone home
Posted on 6/10/13 at 3:14 pm to Tiger1242
so what is there to talk about? I am running out of theories.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 3:15 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
Someone mentioned in the reader thread about what if Tywin shot blanks and all 3 of his children are Aerys and Joanna's? The thoery differs from the "Only Tyrion is a Targ" or "Just Jaime and Cersei are Targs" theories since all 3 would be half Targ.
This post was edited on 6/10/13 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 6/10/13 at 3:24 pm to ladytiger118
I don't think Tyrion is a Targ. I think some people are reaching. However, shite happens. 
Posted on 6/10/13 at 3:26 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
That's one of the few Crackpot theories that I don't like. I think Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion should all be Tywin's kids. If we are to be 95% certain that Jon is half Targ, that is enough for me IMO. We don't need any more secret Targs and then we have Aegon too.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 3:31 pm to ladytiger118
the way i see it, if someone's not a secret Targ then they have to be a Faceless Man...or Azor Ahai
Posted on 6/10/13 at 4:04 pm to Tiger1242
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Well it's back to this thread now, seasons over, Hodors gone home
Turn out the lights the party is over,
All good Hodors, must Hodor Hodor.
Posted on 6/10/13 at 4:21 pm to thatguy1892
The Tyrion/Targ thing is either
A- true, or
B- a deliberate red herring by GRRM
I'm leaning to red herring. Just something about the feel of the clues just have a Martin trolling us vibe.
Of course I just read the DwD section where Danny tells Quentin Martell no one rides more than one dragon (though a dragon can have more than one rider).
So, if Danny is limited to Drogon, any guesses who the other two riders are (if there are to be any)?
Jon?
Brown Ben Plumb?
Young Griff?
Tyrion?
Pod?
???
A- true, or
B- a deliberate red herring by GRRM
I'm leaning to red herring. Just something about the feel of the clues just have a Martin trolling us vibe.
Of course I just read the DwD section where Danny tells Quentin Martell no one rides more than one dragon (though a dragon can have more than one rider).
So, if Danny is limited to Drogon, any guesses who the other two riders are (if there are to be any)?
Jon?
Brown Ben Plumb?
Young Griff?
Tyrion?
Pod?
???
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