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re: Apple to integrate RCS support in 2024

Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:19 am to
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 10:19 am to
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Nope, blue bubble vs green bubble.


Posted by GrammarKnotsi
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 12:04 pm to
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t’s just funny how many people are like free market bad in this situation.



I don't think you understand the irony in this situation
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 12:39 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 12:23 pm to
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Nope, blue bubble vs green bubble.
Same app, same process, same everything except for a low-key indication that something happened differently.

What if I'm blue-green color blind?
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And this doesn’t come close to violating them in the slightest.
Cases have been filed for offenses far milder than surreptitiously moving millions of people away from an interoperable standard and into a proprietary system of vendor lock-in.
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RCS coming to iPhone doesn’t bother me in the slightest, it’s just funny how many people are like free market bad in this situation.
There are countless ways in which free markets can produce results that are bad for consumers. Happens all the time. Again, we don't exist to serve the market and keep it "pure", it exists to serve us and our needs.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 1:11 pm to
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What if I'm blue-green color blind?


What if you can’t read?

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Cases have been filed for offenses far milder than surreptitiously moving millions of people away from an interoperable standard and into a proprietary system of vendor lock-in.


In this case they haven’t locked you out from the sms/mms standard, they just didn’t upgrade you to another standard RCS that the carriers didn’t really even spearhead. Carriers themselves could have stepped up and forced Apples hand here by locking Apple out until Apple upgraded.

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There are countless ways in which free markets can produce results that are bad for consumers. Happens all the time. Again, we don't exist to serve the market and keep it "pure", it exists to serve us and our needs.


Being bad for customers and worthy of government intervention are two different things. Should Nintendo, PSX, and Xbox be forced to put their games on other platforms? Pokémon is a big lock in for Nintendo, should we get involved with that? It’s bad for a customer to have to buy a less performant device in a switch than a Xbox and psx.



This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 1:13 pm
Posted by LSU316
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 2:12 pm to
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green bubble


auto-block!
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 2:14 pm to
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Pokémon is a big lock in for Nintendo, should we get involved with that?


No offense but a single game on a proprietary platform is a far different situation than apple abusing their popularity to co-opt a standard that was in place for over a decade used by EVERYONE before their phone hit the market.

It was done to deliberately make life miserable every single non apple phone.
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 4:01 pm to
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No offense but a single game on a proprietary platform is a far different situation than apple abusing their popularity to co-opt a standard that was in place for over a decade used by EVERYONE before their phone hit the market. It was done to deliberately make life miserable every single non apple phone.


How is your life on Android dependent on just better texting options to less than 30% of the cell phone market? You guys are over playing the importance of this, I’ve never gotten upset of a green bubble or blue bubble. If I am sharing photo or video, I am doing it somewhere else. Hell Google makes that really easy with shared albums and such.

Oddly enough Nintendo makes up about the same market percentage on consoles. Pokémon is just one game in the vast catalog that is locked into Switch. Video game market is loaded with other examples of anti consumer behavior. Console companies paying for sole rights of certain games, delaying releases on other consoles, all to protect their market share.
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28711 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 4:49 pm to
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In this case they haven’t locked you out from the sms/mms standard
I didn't say they locked anyone out, it's vendor lock-in.
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Being bad for customers and worthy of government intervention are two different things.
I agree.
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Should Nintendo, PSX, and Xbox be forced to put their games on other platforms?
No.
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Pokémon is a big lock in for Nintendo, should we get involved with that?
No, but we are not talking about a game. We are talking about a method of communication that a billion people depend on.

Imagine if Apple had hijacked voice calls the way they did SMS. iPhone to iPhone makes iCalls (but placed just like regular calls, "seamless"), but then when someone switches to a different phone people can't call him anymore until he figures out what the hell Apple did to break this universal system.


So you have highlighted the problem with a bull-headed free-markets-solve-all anti-regulation mentality: critical communications infrastructure is treated the same as a fricking video game.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15532 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 6:20 pm to
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No, but we are not talking about a game. We are talking about a method of communication that a billion people depend on. Imagine if Apple had hijacked voice calls the way they did SMS. iPhone to iPhone makes iCalls (but placed just like regular calls, "seamless"), but then when someone switches to a different phone people can't call him anymore until he figures out what the hell Apple did to break this universal system. So you have highlighted the problem with a bull-headed free-markets-solve-all anti-regulation mentality: critical communications infrastructure is treated the same as a fricking video game.


You have a point here, but this point is applicable to allowing seamless transition off of iMessage and back to SMS/MMS. I agree this needs to be easy to get off of iMessage. This doesn’t mean RCS should be required though.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 6:54 pm to
interestingly apple just gave up on lightning and switched to USB3 as well.

hmm
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15532 posts
Posted on 11/17/23 at 8:07 pm to
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interestingly apple just gave up on lightning and switched to USB3 as well. hmm


Same thing, EU demanding it. Reduce electronic waste was the reason.
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 8:08 pm
Posted by TigerGman
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 10:00 am to
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I don't think you understand the irony in this situation



What irony? It appears you don't understand the concept of a free market.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
5734 posts
Posted on 11/18/23 at 3:59 pm to
If standard is basically controlled by google and google's Jibe Cloud platform Apple needs to make it optional.
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