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re: Will the US change its youth system?

Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
19014 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:39 pm to
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There is a reason we don’t have the Jimmy and the Joes. Those guys are playing American Football or are playing multiple sports and a youth soccer coach won’t put him on the premier team bc he plays multiple sports.


There's one in every thread...

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We need bigger, stronger, faster athletes that can move laterally and push through physical play. No offense to you soccer boys, but it’s the truth.


Lmao this could not be further from the truth.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
20076 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:41 pm to
We need to put soccer courts next to basketball courts in the hood and market heavily to inner city youth. Have street guys from France and England come over and do tours around, make it big and flashy. Start a pick up game culture and promote the relative ease of getting a soccer scholarship to college as opposed to football or basketball.

After I moved back from France, I put together a document with facts, figures, locations and strategies based on everything I experienced playing on the streets in Paris and Lyon. I put a lot into it and sent to several people at US Soccer. Never heard a damn thing back.
Posted by patchesohoulihan_007
Member since Jul 2015
2798 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:45 pm to
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After I moved back from France, I put together a document with facts, figures, locations and strategies based on everything I experienced playing on the streets in Paris and Lyon. I put a lot into it and sent to several people at US Soccer. Never heard a damn thing back.


I’m convinced they don’t give a shite.

The blueprint to succeed is there. All they have to do is look across the pond in Europe. I know it’s not apples to apples but shite try something different.

Until the MLS academy implementation the federation was totally inept. And still might be.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
19695 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:49 pm to
We really won't see the big leap until parents are educated on the basics.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
10252 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:51 pm to
You think NBA, NFL, MLB want the competition?
This post was edited on 12/5/22 at 1:58 pm
Posted by patchesohoulihan_007
Member since Jul 2015
2798 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:53 pm to
It’s not like they have a say.

It’s not like we are really in direct competition with them anyway.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
20076 posts
Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:28 pm to
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I’m convinced they don’t give a shite. The blueprint to succeed is there. All they have to do is look across the pond in Europe. I know it’s not apples to apples but shite try something different. Until the MLS academy implementation the federation was totally inept. And still might be.


I won’t say they don’t give a shite. They give a shite, but only to the extent that it’s within their control.

From the networking I did getting in touch with contacts, they are a bunch of liberal douchebags who have the need to control everything. If they can’t control it or someone else comes up with a better plan, they hate it, even if it produces the result they claim to want.

Same thing with liberal politicians. They claim to want “equality,” but only on their terms. When it comes naturally or by other means, they hate it.
Posted by Smokin Joe Dumas
Armchair QB
Member since Apr 2022
1910 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 10:37 am to
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FC Dallas has a massive set up and even then it’s not free for everyone at all levels


Yes, that’s unfortunately true. Those teams are the epitome of pay to play. And they are expensive. Probably use those dues to pay for the players that they put through the real academy
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
24908 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 12:33 pm to
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It’s the #1 youth sport in the country

For 4 year olds
Posted by patchesohoulihan_007
Member since Jul 2015
2798 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 1:54 pm to
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For 4 year olds


Nah not true. When the concussion shite hit the NFL big 10 or so years ago there was a pretty massive uptick to an already quickly growing sport.

A lot of the moms saw that CTE shite and directed their chads and thads to buy shin…pads
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
79366 posts
Posted on 12/7/22 at 9:43 pm to
Here's a story from Yahoo on overhauling our youth system.

LINK
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126648 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 10:13 am to
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No. Too much money being made by these youth clubs and travel teams.


Hearing what Eric Wynalda said about his conversation with John O’Brian about ditching the pay for play when he ran for USSF president was depressing
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6459 posts
Posted on 12/8/22 at 8:32 pm to
Love this bc all of you equate size and straight line speed with this statement. Athleticism is a combination of both. It incorporates lateral movement, strength and size. It’s why CEH excels at his position. It’s why J Chase and JJ excel at their positions. It’s why D White excels at his. Those guys, age wise, would be better players than anyone on the current team if they had started down that path. The more you guys deny it, the more it makes my point. If you think that our best athletes actually play this sport then you are all truly stupid. The problem at the core is that soccer people run youth soccer. You need people who recognize and understand natural athleticism at the youth level , with soccer people only coaching them from a skill and strategic standpoint. There is a reason why certain kids excel at football, baseball, and basketball. They are the BEST athletes for their respective sports. The US doesn’t put those same kids in a position to be the best in soccer. It’s a fact.
This post was edited on 12/8/22 at 8:59 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126648 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 8:10 am to
Just a giant post about how you don’t know shite about soccer
Posted by patchesohoulihan_007
Member since Jul 2015
2798 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 10:08 am to
Just go through and read the thread people have explained it continuously.

Take Croatia for example. Their most important player still at age 37 is 5’8 Luka Modric. He is not a freak athlete and never has been. But he is amazing at seeing the field where players are and need to be. He tops it off with the ability to pass amazing ball and bring those players into more dangerous positions. He hit an amazing shot in the round of 16, that took an unbelievable save to stop. We had a laugh about this exact post in the in game thread.

the same thing with Messi. There are countless examples. Soccers best players don’t have to be and often aren’t freak athletes. Hell Ronaldo has been talked ab his entire career ab being a physical freak in the sport and he’s 6’1 180.

You cannot out athlete teams at soccer. The USA team probably have better all around athletes than just about every team at this World Cup and they had a rather lack luster showing.

It’s why upsets happen in soccer a lot more than other sports. It’s so easy take 30 seconds off mentally and you lose your man and give up a quick counter goal.

Soccer comes down to Tactical Intelligence, being technically sound, being able to run all day, and speed and agility. The bigger guys give up more in the speed department than their strength is worth.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126648 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 11:58 am to
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Take Croatia for example. Their most important player still at age 37 is 5’8 Luka Modric. He is not a freak athlete and never has been. But he is amazing at seeing the field where players are and need to be. He tops it off with the ability to pass amazing ball and bring those players into more dangerous positions. He hit an amazing shot in the round of 16, that took an unbelievable save to stop. We had a laugh about this exact post in the in game thread.


This post has levels
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29562 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 1:23 pm to
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Here's a story from Yahoo on overhauling our youth system. LINK

This was a great article. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
33594 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 1:30 pm to
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US fails to recruit or otherwise train ATHLETES. There is a reason we don’t have the Jimmy and the Joes.



I used to think this same way back in 2014. But it’s just simply not true. Being athletic helps, but skill is the ultimate factor and developing that from a young age is the difference. We don’t develop as many technical players as other countries, partly due to coaching and partly due to development
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
79366 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 1:34 pm to
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I used to think this same way back in 2014. But it’s just simply not true.


It's just such a dumb premise. We have a country of 350 million. There is no shortage of athletes. The Americans we have playing soccer aren't playing soccer because they couldn't hack it in another sport.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126648 posts
Posted on 12/9/22 at 1:38 pm to
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This was a great article. Thanks for sharing.


The full FA report is a great read as well
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