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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
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It's like there is no air allowed to be in our sails as fans this season


Was talking to a buddy at work about it and the only thing I can come up with is there was some deal made with the devil that includes the new Nike contract at this point it’s just like damn is there a break to be had this year


DByrd2
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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
Is it coincidence that LeBron just became a higher stakeholder?

I think not.


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pvilleguru
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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
Ok?


BleedPurpleGold
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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
Thanks for the apology John, but it’s too little too late. The ticket prices, the trademark, the furlough, and now this. These guys simply are incapable of considering the fans BEFORE they act. They shoot from the hip with no consideration for how their actions may unfold.


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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
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Thanks for the apology John, but it’s too little too late. The ticket prices, the trademark, the furlough, and now this. These guys simply are incapable of considering the fans BEFORE they act. They shoot from the hip with no consideration for how their actions may unfold.


Preach brother


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crazy4lsu
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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
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Thanks for the apology John, but it’s too little too late. The ticket prices, the trademark, the furlough, and now this. These guys simply are incapable of considering the fans BEFORE they act. They shoot from the hip with no consideration for how their actions may unfold.



For being so rich and powerful, they aren't very strategic thinkers. Which is incredibly odd to me. Maybe developing a commodity futures tracking strategy and forming an investment firm doesn't make you good at everything else.


DByrd2
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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
One 5hing that I will say that has come from this saga in a positive fashion is that I have a little bit more hope for the general future of some things.

It was good to see the fan outcry and politicians actually responding to it coming from a place that was NOT based on money but rather the general good.


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The game has been trending towards this since the Bosman ruling in 1995. The self-perpetuating cycle of increased TV money to fuel insane transfer prices which justifies the increased ticket prices which keep out the average fan from ever attending the game, with TV deals structured so that young kids who might want to watch either can't or are forced to illegal streams, has to end. If Perez's concern is about the future of the game, then fix and simplify the TV deals so that fans can access any game they want, embrace new mediums like Twitch which younger fans love, provide support to academy level players who don't make it, and realize that video games like FIFA increase interest, not decrease it. The belief that there is an illusory casual fan whose wallet has yet to be tapped misunderstands fandom. If these owners were visionary, they would see the massive benefits of ease of access, but the notion of a captive market who has no choice will always drive the self-interest of owners.

The business aspect of the sport is always secondary to the competitive aspect, which is the reason a business aspect was needed in the first place. The solution here would be to simplify everything, as that is the best strategy for both owners and fans. But can owners sacrifice anything at all, even if in the long-term it would help them tremendously? I'm skeptical.


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That was really nice to see mentioned in the Spirit of Shankly response to the owner apology video. The media was explicitly called out as well in terms of needing reform/legislation.

I'm interested in what the UK government will bring forth and pass.


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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
I can’t get over how much Liverpool fans hate fsg. The SOS and others bitch at every turn and rarely acknowledge the good they’ve done for the club.

This club was on the brink of bankruptcy and is now commercially successful, as well as on field.

The so called big six are looking for a way to push the game forward. I’m pretty sure it was This is Anfield had a pretty fair take about how the game changes every 30 years and each time it was the end of football forever.
I’ve grown tired of the shite that is the EPL. It’s a horrible product lately. About 50% of the UCL is boring.

I wasn’t stoked about the super league but was willing to give it shot.

Finally, don’t become pussies that just complain about the owners at every turn. Some times the scousers are just bitches and aren’t willing to fight to get to the top of kop like our predecessors.

Anyway, up the reds.


BleedPurpleGold
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I’ve grown tired of the shite that is the EPL. It’s a horrible product lately. About 50% of the UCL is boring.


I’m not sure how playing the same teams in Europe every single year with no penalty for a loss makes a sport more entertaining. All the while, the domestic league becomes even less appealing since the only spot in the table that matters now would be first place.

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Finally, don’t become pussies that just complain about the owners at every turn. Some times the scousers are just bitches and aren’t willing to fight to get to the top of kop like our predecessors.


I’ve been pretty positive towards FSG over the years, while acknowledging that they continually refuse to accept the reality of English football culture. Slowly but surely, with each misstep that they’ve made, they’ve shown they care very little about gauging fan input. They’ve done so much for this club that we should be thankful for, but how many times can one organization make the same mistake?

I’m curious as to what you mean by “unwilling to fight to the get to the top of the Kop like our predecessors.” The previous iterations of this team, it’s managers, it’s fans, and the club in general would have reacted much, much more strongly against the formation of this league and FSG than we saw over the last four days. I’m pretty sure Shanks and Paisley would have quite literally ended up murdering someone over this.


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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
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I’ve been pretty positive towards FSG over the years, while acknowledging that they continually refuse to accept the reality of English football culture. Slowly but surely, with each misstep that they’ve made, they’ve shown they care very little about gauging fan input. They’ve done so much for this club that we should be thankful for, but how many times can one organization make the same mistake?


Im in the camp of they've done way more good than bad. We wouldn't be where we are at without them right now... I strongly believe that.

Yeah, they have had some mis-steps along the way... But honestly, a lot of those were mis-steps with a fanbase that doesn't want the "greed" in the game, out of one side of their mouth, yet expect us to sign the Mbappe's and Haaland's of the world, out the other... There are very few people in the world that can achieve that...

I'm not sure who could afford us at our current valuation, but I'd be careful what we wish for with new owners...
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BleedPurpleGold
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But honestly, a lot of those were mis-steps with a fanbase that doesn't want the "greed" in the game, out of one side of their mouth, yet expect us to sign the Mbappe's and Haaland's of the world, out the other


This is obviously a completely antithetical viewpoint by those fans. I agree with you on that.

However, I’ve never thought it was necessary that we sign the likes of Haaland or Mbappe. It’s completely unnecessary given the success we’ve had within our existing wage structure and transfer strategy.

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I'm not sure who could afford us at our current valuation, but I'd be careful what we wish for with new owners...



Our current valuation has liverpool valued between the #154 and 155 GDPs in the world

I am not saying I won’t support the club until they’re gone. Because I think it will take a long time to find an adequate buyer. But they’ve shown they don’t get it, and never will. They were feeling out buyers before, and I hope they continue to do so. This is a frick up of monumental proportions and cannot go without repercussions.
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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
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I'm not sure who could afford us at our current valuation, but I'd be careful what we wish for with new owners...


Saudi royalty or a US private equity firm.


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US private equity firm.


They wouldn't be in it for the integrity of the game! It would be an investment and to they'd want to maximize their investment..


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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
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be careful what we wish for with new owners


exactly


BleedPurpleGold
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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
I think at the very least SoS or Spion Kop should have a seat on the board. The fans have to be made aware of these proposals before FSG step their foot in the proverbial dog shite.


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BleedPurpleGold
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re: tOfficial Liverpool 2020/2021 Thread: Champions of England
What a fricking guy Jurgen is. I’m not sure the situation could be put more eloquently than he did in the match day program. The absolute trust I have in him, and his support for FSG despite this debacle, make me reconsider my stance on the subject.

I still maintain that fans should have a greater say in these decisions, and changes need to be made accordingly. But god damn if Jurgen still has faith in them, it’s hard for me to say I don’t.


JackVincennes
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Pretty good point.


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