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re: Super League may NOT actually be happening!
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:00 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:00 pm to chalmetteowl
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we're a settler colony...
Which was settled, and then freed from colonial rule well before the codification of the respective sports to which I'm referring. You're point about Indian infrastructure, though, remains insanely stupid.
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what I’m saying is, it’s different when you only really experience your clubs via tv.
And what I'm saying is, increased exposure doesn't drive people to be casual fans of a whole league. It in fact drives fans to choose teams. Your own anecdotal experience reveals that.
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Paying fans have gotten so insignificant to the bottom line
It isn't insignificant to the bottom line. These clubs don't actually make a lot of revenue. A moderate sized grocery store produces more revenue than a mid-table PL team. Because, like I've reiterated, these are not businesses, they are sporting clubs that exist for the express purpose of playing the game. Reorienting the money in the game still doesn't solve the fundamental issue, which remains the fact that you probably shouldn't spend 55 million dollars on a midget named Fred.
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They’re counting on people to watch on tv, bet, and buy the merchandise. A lot of people won’t, and a lot of people will.
Wow, very concise statement. Some people will and some people won't. Really stepping out there with absolutely banal statements while calling other people mindless.
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Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:15 pm to crazy4lsu
All this talk from everyone from uefa down to the fans is bullshite.
The moment they announce the first Liverpool-real Madrid game at anfield followed by a Barca-United at OT with an ending Bayern-citeh at that other stadium the noise will all of a sudden seemed muffled.
You expect the fans to stay home and no one to watch on tv? Haha.
At worst it turns into a LSU football situ where people leave early cuz they are only there for the spectacle.
But the tix will get bought and the tv ads will get sold and the rich guys will all get paid.
The moment they announce the first Liverpool-real Madrid game at anfield followed by a Barca-United at OT with an ending Bayern-citeh at that other stadium the noise will all of a sudden seemed muffled.
You expect the fans to stay home and no one to watch on tv? Haha.
At worst it turns into a LSU football situ where people leave early cuz they are only there for the spectacle.
But the tix will get bought and the tv ads will get sold and the rich guys will all get paid.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:23 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:increased exposure most definitely does drive people to be casual fans... there’s a reason they tell you what other games are that weekend when you watch a broadcast. Then you watch games hoping for your rivals to lose or watch a game rooting for anyone vs. City. It’s 2021. It’s not 1970 where you go to the game and then read about all the other ones the next morning in the paper.
And what I'm saying is, increased exposure doesn't drive people to be casual fans of a whole league. It in fact drives fans to choose teams. Your own anecdotal experience reveals that.
quote:didn’t know moderate sized grocery stores do hundreds of millions a year
moderate sized grocery store produces more revenue than a mid-table PL team
LINK
Fred didn’t ask them to spend 55 million on him
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:29 pm to chalmetteowl
if Germany doesn’t stay out of this I’m done with the sport. my club is less than 15 years removed from nearly going bankrupt save for Bayern stepping in as a good steward for the betterment of the league.
unfortunately there’s roughly 4 billion mouth breathers who will buy tickets/gear/cable or app subscriptions to watch whatever this bullshite turns into. we’re our own worst enemy
unfortunately there’s roughly 4 billion mouth breathers who will buy tickets/gear/cable or app subscriptions to watch whatever this bullshite turns into. we’re our own worst enemy
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:38 pm to chalmetteowl
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increased exposure most definitely does drive people to be casual fans... there’s a reason they tell you what other games are that weekend when you watch a broadcast. Then you watch games hoping for your rivals to lose or watch a game rooting for anyone vs. City.
My dear God man, why do you keep reiterating my points for me? A person who is watching their team, and then watches a rival hoping they lose, is by no definition a casual fan.
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didn’t know moderate sized grocery stores do hundreds of millions a year
The Sky TV deal skewed things severely, but for most of European and English soccer history, these teams weren't pulling hundreds of millions of dollars per year. If you look at the old balance sheets, for example Chelsea's from 2009/10, you'd see that match day revenue and TV revenue were fairly close. The Sky deal isn't the deal they are always going to get. Wise investment in the things that would ensure the league gets another good deal seems to be beyond the ability of this group to grasp. Sacrificing matchday income seems to be a decidedly retarded strategy.
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Fred didn’t ask them to spend 55 million on him
No he didn't, nor is the cure for that situation to give these retarded executives who sanctioned that transfer even more money. If they don't have the ability to see that Fred isn't worth that sum, what makes you think that more money will cure their lack of skill in identifying talent?
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:59 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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The moment they announce the first Liverpool-real Madrid game at anfield followed by a Barca-United at OT with an ending Bayern-citeh at that other stadium the noise will all of a sudden seemed muffled.
You expect the fans to stay home and no one to watch on tv? Haha.
I don’t think you understand English sporting culture.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:05 am to chalmetteowl
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didn’t know moderate sized grocery stores do hundreds of millions a year
Ehh.
In 2017-18 seven of the 20 teams in the premier league took a profit loss.
That’s before COVID.
What they make is just one side of the ledger. Debts make up the other side.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:10 am
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:21 am to BleedPurpleGold
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I don’t think you understand English sporting culture.
Cuz United is worth 1.6 billion only because of English fans huh?
That’s kinda the point I’m making. Strive to be an international brand.... this is what happens.
There are more United fans in China than in England now.
The Super League is banking on that. They don’t give a shite that the English fans will be pissed. They know they can still sell the tix and the tv ads and the merch.
I’m not saying it will or won’t happen. But the local fans thinking they can stop it by throwing a fit is laughable.
We all like to think, what if we had relegation in the nfl, nba, etc. it’d be great.
This is the opposite of that coin. Arsenal owners look at the Dallas Cowboys sucking for 30 years and wonder how the hell are they still so valuable and making money?
Cuz they closed out the game 70 years ago. And only let certain people play. After they pay for the privilege
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:21 am to crazy4lsu
quote:I went through this whole thread basically thinking he played for Arsenal until I googled him and apparently he’s on Manchester United...
If they don't have the ability to see that Fred isn't worth that sum, what makes you think that more money will cure their lack of skill in identifying talent?
They’re 2nd place now, last league loss in January, a few dropped points away from making it interesting with City, and might still win Europa anyway, and this after Twitter memes led me to believe it was over for them back when Tottenham worked them last fall.
Will say this... the ratings would probably be so much better if one of the Big 6 ever found themselves in real relegation trouble at this point of the season. It happens so infrequently that if it did it would take attention from the top of the table
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:37 am
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:35 am to chalmetteowl
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They’re 2nd place now, last league loss in January, a few dropped points away from making it interesting with City, and might still win Europa anyway, and this after Twitter memes led me to believe it was over for them back when Tottenham worked them last fall.
Is this a justification for his price tag? Because if you’ve seen him play, there is absolutely no reason in the world to pay that price tag. He can be a tidy player, but if you watched the Arsenal-Man U game earlier this season, he can be positionally wayward, and exposed without the right partner next to him. His offensive positioning is sometimes curious as well. And the sheer fact of buying him and not some other appropriate midfield player, or even paying much less for him, has hampered Man U pretty significantly, as Pogba has to be played deeper than he likes, with the midfield always a sticking point. The purchase of Bruno has far more to do with Man U’s fortunes than Fred’s play.
So again, Man U can be doing well, and it still be true that Fred wasn’t worth 55 million and it be true he’s a fine enough player. Man U’s variable league position isn’t an indication of Fred’s quality, or lack thereof.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 12:38 am to extremetigerfanatic
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That’s kinda the point I’m making. Strive to be an international brand.... this is what happens.
There are more United fans in China than in England now.
Man U could do literally nothing for the next decade and still retain that market share. The blowback from trying to do this super league is going to be severe, and ultimately pointless. Doing a tour of China for the next decade would have been far better than allying with the other rich clubs, and then invoking a response from every sanctioning body, the PM, Parliament and the Prince of Wales.
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But the local fans thinking they can stop it by throwing a fit is laughable.
You really genuinely don’t understand English sporting culture.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 12:42 am
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:25 am to crazy4lsu
Are the teams in the Super League only going to play in the Super League or will they still play in the Champions League and their home league(EPL, La Liga etc) ?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 1:29 am to crazy4lsu
My concern is that even if season ticket holders etc do stay away - and I know plenty of life long season ticket holders who will, that their seats will just be taken by tourists.
The percentage of the ground share of tourists is only on the rise as prices go up anyway. The atmosphere may suffer but atmosphere doesn’t get on the balance sheet does it. I would also think they are banking on people giving in, let’s say everyone in the UK boycotts the first three games. Social Media will still be a wash with it, if Messi scores a goal where he dribbles through 5 defenders and puts it top bins you are going to end up watching the highlight, and once you do it’s then a slippery slope to watching it.
There has also been the reports that one chairman hopes their players get banned from international football because they don’t see the benefit from jt and it increases the risk of injury. If they have that mindset it shows the completely different mentality they have and how much inwardly focused they are.
A full media and fan boycott of it would be unprecedented and unlikely to win out in my opinion.
I would like to see UEFA and the FAs go nuclear on it. Give them a deadline and once it’s gone then they are out of other competitions. The ESL will not generate enough for them to be stand alone in my opinion. The last domestic rights sold for £9.1bn across three years and while that supposedly set to fall that doesn’t include all the foreign deals, so I would think the EPL clubs would lose out. I would then only allow them to rejoin at the bottom of the pyramid like Wimbledon. A message needs to be sent, and I’d be ripping up the new CL deal aswell as that is an absolute shocker aswell.
My biggest fear is that FIFA will behind the scenes be backing this. Infantino is determined to set up this very thing in Africa with 20 teams. There are red flags everywhere not least that they all need to pay £20m to join and there aren’t 20 teams with that money! But he and the new head of CAF are plowing on convinced it is the future of the game. If he is doing that somewhere the clubs don’t want it, why would he put up serious opposition to doing it somewhere they do?
The percentage of the ground share of tourists is only on the rise as prices go up anyway. The atmosphere may suffer but atmosphere doesn’t get on the balance sheet does it. I would also think they are banking on people giving in, let’s say everyone in the UK boycotts the first three games. Social Media will still be a wash with it, if Messi scores a goal where he dribbles through 5 defenders and puts it top bins you are going to end up watching the highlight, and once you do it’s then a slippery slope to watching it.
There has also been the reports that one chairman hopes their players get banned from international football because they don’t see the benefit from jt and it increases the risk of injury. If they have that mindset it shows the completely different mentality they have and how much inwardly focused they are.
A full media and fan boycott of it would be unprecedented and unlikely to win out in my opinion.
I would like to see UEFA and the FAs go nuclear on it. Give them a deadline and once it’s gone then they are out of other competitions. The ESL will not generate enough for them to be stand alone in my opinion. The last domestic rights sold for £9.1bn across three years and while that supposedly set to fall that doesn’t include all the foreign deals, so I would think the EPL clubs would lose out. I would then only allow them to rejoin at the bottom of the pyramid like Wimbledon. A message needs to be sent, and I’d be ripping up the new CL deal aswell as that is an absolute shocker aswell.
My biggest fear is that FIFA will behind the scenes be backing this. Infantino is determined to set up this very thing in Africa with 20 teams. There are red flags everywhere not least that they all need to pay £20m to join and there aren’t 20 teams with that money! But he and the new head of CAF are plowing on convinced it is the future of the game. If he is doing that somewhere the clubs don’t want it, why would he put up serious opposition to doing it somewhere they do?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:05 am to engvol
Broadcast revenue will be interesting to see if this doesn’t end up dead in the water. Perez seemed highly motivated to take advantage of foreign markets, so I wonder if the bargains stop in those areas.
I don’t think FIFA is supporting this behind the scenes. Yes, they are doing the exact same thing in Africa, but they’re effectively cut off for
this one. Would have to be on the take somehow behind the scenes. They’ll rail against this the same way they tolerated Boris Johnson’s statements even though they have historically had issues with political interference. They’re scum bags, and they would have loved to do this first, but they’re currently everyone’s scum bags.
The Alex Jones in me wants to suggest that this is a false flag to distract from Qatar 2022 tho.
I don’t think FIFA is supporting this behind the scenes. Yes, they are doing the exact same thing in Africa, but they’re effectively cut off for
this one. Would have to be on the take somehow behind the scenes. They’ll rail against this the same way they tolerated Boris Johnson’s statements even though they have historically had issues with political interference. They’re scum bags, and they would have loved to do this first, but they’re currently everyone’s scum bags.
The Alex Jones in me wants to suggest that this is a false flag to distract from Qatar 2022 tho.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:50 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Are the teams in the Super League only going to play in the Super League or will they still play in the Champions League and their home league(EPL, La Liga etc) ?
The super league team’s intent is to play in every league they currently play in plus the super league
The domestic and European leagues claim they will ban these teams
We will see what happens
ETA: I’m basing this just on what was said by Serie A Clubs
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Serie A clubs meeting is now over. Juventus, AC Milan and Inter have announced their intention to stay in the domestic league and play in Serie A also if they’re now part of the #SuperLeague. @SkySport
...UEFA will fight to ban SuperLeague clubs also from domestic leagues
LINK
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 4:56 am
Posted on 4/20/21 at 5:30 am to I Bleed Garnet
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Strong differences of opinion are emerging in private between the Super League breakaway clubs. Some of the executives involved believe they are being hung out to dry and are beginning to get cold feet. They are very nervous and disappointed about the handling #mulive [sky]
Seems things might be starting to crumble for the super 15
Posted on 4/20/21 at 6:12 am to extremetigerfanatic
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The moment they announce the first Liverpool-real Madrid game at anfield followed by a Barca-United at OT with an ending Bayern-citeh at that other stadium the noise will all of a sudden seemed muffled.
Wrong
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You expect the fans to stay home and no one to watch on tv? Haha.
Domestically that is a huge possibility
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But the tix will get bought and the tv ads will get sold and the rich guys will all get paid.
If local fans don’t go this will be an utter failure
Old Trafford can’t sell out 70k with nothing but Chinese and Arab Tourists every match. Same with Anfield.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 7:15 am to StraightCashHomey21
Bayern Munich Chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge: “Bayern Munich is not in the Super League because we don’t want to be a part of it. All companies in Italy, Japan, Germany, or the U.S. think about cutting costs (due to the pandemic). Only football thinks it can solve everything by increasing revenue. In Europe, you spend a lot and maybe you don’t win. In the USA, the first thing they think about is earning money.”
Posted on 4/20/21 at 7:34 am to StraightCashHomey21
So, they've got 12 of the 20 clubs that are set.
There are supposedly three more founding members that are not Bayern, Dortmund, or PSG.
And everyone else in Europe seems to be pissed off at the whole idea.
Where are they getting these other 8 clubs from?
There are supposedly three more founding members that are not Bayern, Dortmund, or PSG.
And everyone else in Europe seems to be pissed off at the whole idea.
Where are they getting these other 8 clubs from?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 8:01 am to Gator Mike
No clue
Porto said no thanks
I don’t see the likes of Ajax and PSV saying yes either
Porto said no thanks
I don’t see the likes of Ajax and PSV saying yes either
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