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re: Soccer players that could play in the NFL/NBA
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:36 pm to thesoccerfanjax
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:36 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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I am not bashing football when I say this because I love football, but if you're an elite athlete you can be an elite player with a year of training/learning. Soccer is pretty much the opposite of that. This is something many people don't get.
I think Jimmy Graham is proof of this.
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Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:38 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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People say we need better athletes and at the same time say we need more technical players and to play less boom ball. Well, by playing a tiki taka style you are not letting your athletes use their athleticism to their advantage
Messi is quite the athlete and plays the tiki taka thing pretty well me thinks.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:46 pm to Tiger1242
these threads are gay but i am 100% positive that cristiano ronaldo could be a fricking stud at absolutely any sport he wanted.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:46 pm to thesoccerfanjax
I don't have time to read that right now but a link to one scholarly article doesn't make it fact.
It is generally accepted that fibers can change from subtype to subtype. IIa to IIx etc. Not from type I to type II. It is also generally accepted that fibers can morph (to a degree) but only up to about 10%.
There is a great degree of disagreement between experts on the topic, however. To state it as absolute fact is pretty silly.
It is generally accepted that fibers can change from subtype to subtype. IIa to IIx etc. Not from type I to type II. It is also generally accepted that fibers can morph (to a degree) but only up to about 10%.
There is a great degree of disagreement between experts on the topic, however. To state it as absolute fact is pretty silly.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:58 pm to crazy4lsu
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If America puts an emphasis on athleticism before skill, we will continue to be a poor man's England.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:59 pm to PTBob
I said they CAN change. Not that they always do. Its a fact that they can change.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 3:43 pm to TN Bhoy
didier agathe would have been a solid man corner IMO
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:35 pm to crazy4lsu
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If America puts an emphasis on athleticism before skill, we will continue to be a poor man's England.
Mynamebowl thinks that's a good thing.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 8:40 pm to Tiger1242
If I was choosing a backyard football team off the US team, I'd take Jozy, Onyewu, Bocanegra, and Shea
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:45 pm to Zoidberg666
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Not many. But all nba players could play socceer
I'm not a soccer fan but that's stupidity right there.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:47 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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I am not bashing football when I say this because I love football, but if you're an elite athlete you can be an elite player with a year of training/learning.
What? Which position?
Posted on 11/28/13 at 1:50 am to Dandy Lion
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It´s got nothing to do with this country. I´m not assuming people here don´t have that skill. I´m simply saying, there are plonkers in Brazil, in Spain, the world over. People assume that these NFLers or NBAers would be world class footballers, had they been indoctrinated with the sport at an early age, and I´m saying possibly some, but certainly not anywhere near all.
This sums it up nicely. It bothers me that people constantly assume that the US would dominate soccer if the great athletes from our other sports had been brought up to play soccer.
There is a reason Steve Nash played basketball and not soccer.
I always hear how Lebron would be such a great CB and how Dwight Howard would dominate as a keeper. I've heard that Cam Newton would be a great Striker and that Chris Paul would be a great AM.
The list literally goes on and on, but here's the thing: not one of those guys, in my own very humble internet opinion, could play soccer professionally. They just couldn't. Their skill sets are perfectly in tune with what they are doing.
Drew Brees' great pocket awareness and field vision =/= great vision in the middle of the pitch at Old Tratford with John Terry trying to kick his legs off and multiple runs being made to either create space or take advantage of space.
It just is not the same.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 11:24 am to lesismeaurx
There is no way Brees could play soccer. He is just not very athletic. The only thing I could possibly ever see him doing is playing like Pirlo. Great player with great technique, but no very athletic. Also, Lukaku would be a scary running back IMHO
Posted on 11/28/13 at 8:52 pm to Jake88
Pretty much all of them but QB. And even then, athleticism can make up for a lot (Tebow, Newton). Maybe a year is extreme. But in four years, absolutely, and it happens all the time. If you didn't start playing soccer until age 14, you are so far behind the 8 ball it's not even funny and if you ever became any better than slightly below average it would be an anomaly. Football has always been an athleticism based sport, not a skill based one.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 10:30 pm to lesismeaurx
quote:I don't completely agree with this. It's about managing an athletic skill with a mind that grasps what it's shown immediately, followed by a split-second, accurate decision.
Drew Brees' great pocket awareness and field vision =/= great vision in the middle of the pitch at Old Tratford with John Terry trying to kick his legs off and multiple runs being made to either create space or take advantage of space.
It just is not the same.
Many can't do that, many can't process all that's happening on the field/pitch, and remain calm, while making good decisions, with the skill to execute the athletic maneuver so quickly.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 4:29 pm to RedPop4
For the soccer -> NFL/NBA players, I was thinking, Goalkeepers would be in with a good shot, great hands and most are of decent size. e.g. Frasier Forster, 6/7 athletic, great hands/hand-eye co-ordination.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:41 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Maybe a year is extreme. But in four years, absolutely, and it happens all the time
Example? And for crossover examples don't say Jimmy Graham, he's the exception, not the rule.
There are only about 1,700 players in the NFL so it can't, by definition happen all the time. In fact, it rarely happens at all.
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Pretty much all of them but QB.
They've got soccer players that could play on the offensive line and or defensive tackle?
I looked a website that listed people like Adebayor, Rooney and Walcott and it mentioned their sped or vision or toughness but those are qualities found all over college football and few of those make it. You can talk about skill all you want but there are hundreds of thousands who dream of playing in the NFL and have speed, skill, and athleticism and they don't come close. Merely because they're good at soccer doesn't mean you'll find more than a handful that could even play major college football.
The same goes for NFL skill position players playing major soccer...they can't.
This post was edited on 11/29/13 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 11/29/13 at 6:48 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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If you didn't start playing soccer until age 8, you are so far behind the 8 ball
FIFY
Posted on 11/29/13 at 7:14 pm to Dandy Lion
I was using 14 as a random example.
Posted on 11/29/13 at 7:17 pm to Dandy Lion
You'd be behind at eight, but I don't think that you'd be irreparably behind. Fourteen is a good age for comparison purposes. IIRC, Danny Cruz is the only professional player who I know of who started that late, and his ascension was pretty incredible.
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