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re: Soccer players that could play in the NFL/NBA
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:31 pm to Dandy Lion
Posted on 11/26/13 at 10:31 pm to Dandy Lion
Theo Walcott KR/PR
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:15 am to Anfield Road
Iniesta, Xavi, Deco, Danny Murphy, could all be either quarterbacks or point guards. All four have tremendous anticipation and vision. They see/saw the field as it is, knew where the space would be, and put the ball there for team mates to run onto or pick up.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:21 am to RedPop4
I see very few players in the NFL or NBA who could be good soccer players. I see very few soccer players who could play football or basketball. Aaron Ramsey was a decent youth rugby player, and I imagine most crossovers would occur in skill sets that translate across sports.
On a purely athletic level, the type of athletes who gravitate toward each of these sports are completely different. Basketball or football do not require the level of slow-twitch muscle fibers that soccer does, and your average soccer player probably doesn't have enough fast twitch muscle fibers to play more explosive sports. There are some great athletes in all those sports, but I don't see the crossover, nor do I think its a particularly interesting question, given the realities of how each sport cultivates its athletes.
On a purely athletic level, the type of athletes who gravitate toward each of these sports are completely different. Basketball or football do not require the level of slow-twitch muscle fibers that soccer does, and your average soccer player probably doesn't have enough fast twitch muscle fibers to play more explosive sports. There are some great athletes in all those sports, but I don't see the crossover, nor do I think its a particularly interesting question, given the realities of how each sport cultivates its athletes.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:27 am to crazy4lsu
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I see very few players in the NFL or NBA who could be good soccer players. I see very few soccer players who could play football or basketball.
You don't watch enough football or basketball, apparently. When trained for a specific sport from an early age, athletes are athletes. And we have the biggest, fastest, strongest athletes in the world. If America cared about soccer, it would dominate in a way no one ever has.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:27 am to crazy4lsu
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I see very few players in the NFL or NBA who could be good soccer players. I see very few soccer players who could play football or basketball
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:29 am to mynamebowl
quote:You can´t teach dominion of the ball. You either have it, or you don´t. It can only be enhanced. It is not a taught skill.
And we have the biggest, fastest, strongest athletes in the world. If America cared about soccer, it would dominate in a way no one ever has.
Some people love music, but only plunk on a piano. No matter the hours of lessons and practicing.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 1:33 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 1:47 am to Dandy Lion
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You can´t teach dominion of the ball.
Of course not, it's a natural skill that elite athletes possess. And elite athletes is something America is not in short supply of. Why do you assume the athletes in this country wouldn't have the skills, when honed properly, to manipulate a ball with their feet instead of their hands?
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:19 am to mynamebowl
quote:It´s got nothing to do with this country. I´m not assuming people here don´t have that skill. I´m simply saying, there are plonkers in Brazil, in Spain, the world over. People assume that these NFLers or NBAers would be world class footballers, had they been indoctrinated with the sport at an early age, and I´m saying possibly some, but certainly not anywhere near all.
Of course not, it's a natural skill that elite athletes possess. And elite athletes is something America is not in short supply of. Why do you assume the athletes in this country wouldn't have the skills, when honed properly, to manipulate a ball with their feet instead of their hands?
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:40 am to mynamebowl
I really doubt that there's many NBA players that could make the transition.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:45 am to pvilleguru
We aren't the only country with these NBA sized players, yet you still don't see many really tall guys playing soccer.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:07 am to crazy4lsu
You realize muscle fibers can switch types with training?
But for the most part, I agree with you.
But for the most part, I agree with you.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 7:09 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:16 am to mynamebowl
That is just not the case. Unless you play from birth and have elite coaching you're probably fricked. And even if you do, you're still probably fricked. Even guys who are considered poor technically and just great athletes are unbelievably talented with the ball (it just may not look like it compared to everyone else).
I am not bashing football when I say this because I love football, but if you're an elite athlete you can be an elite player with a year of training/learning. Soccer is pretty much the opposite of that. This is something many people don't get.
I am not bashing football when I say this because I love football, but if you're an elite athlete you can be an elite player with a year of training/learning. Soccer is pretty much the opposite of that. This is something many people don't get.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:32 am to Dandy Lion
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Piqué would probably have been a good QB
I'd say since he used to be a keeper he would play basketball.
Howard, Guzan, and Friedel all played bball and claim it helps them a lot in their keeper role.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:56 am to Tiger1242
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ETA: I stand corrected, there are a few. Tim Howard is the only one I recognize though.
You don't recognize Ronaldo?
Proof that this is a troll thread
Posted on 11/27/13 at 11:36 am to mynamebowl
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You don't watch enough football or basketball, apparently. When trained for a specific sport from an early age, athletes are athletes. And we have the biggest, fastest, strongest athletes in the world. If America cared about soccer, it would dominate in a way no one ever has.
Sure, but none of that teaches technique on the ball, which has no athletic requirement. At the highest level, technique on the ball is the most important skill. It can be taught from a young age, but no amount of athleticism can overcome technical deficiency.
I'm skeptical of the claim that if America cared about soccer, it would dominate. Spain, which produces smaller, very technical players, has dominated the sport in a way that has never been seen. They dominate because they value possession and the ability to keep the ball over any other skill. They don't out run teams, they don't out muscle teams, they play perfect possession football. I doubt any team ever would dominate the sport in that fashion. If America puts an emphasis on athleticism before skill, we will continue to be a poor man's England. But if we value technique over athleticism, we can actually succeed because our athletic players will have the technical skills to flourish, and our less athletically gifted players will have learned ways of keeping the ball and contributing because they were taught to value the ball from a young age.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 11:39 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 11:38 am to thesoccerfanjax
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You realize muscle fibers can switch types with training?
And? Sports which favor one type of muscle over another will act as a self-selecting mechanism. At the elite level, which is what we are talking about, any crossover will be an outlier.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:00 pm to crazy4lsu
People say we need better athletes and at the same time say we need more technical players and to play less boom ball. Well, by playing a tiki taka style you are not letting your athletes use their athleticism to their advantage. Of course, technical ability trumps athleticism but I don't see how people don't realize this. Spain hasn't been as great as they have because they have elite athletes. The key is finding some middle ground.
This wasn't directed at you crazy4lsu.
This wasn't directed at you crazy4lsu.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:28 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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You realize muscle fibers can switch types with training?
Well, that's just wrong.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:35 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Well, by playing a tiki taka style you are not letting your athletes use their athleticism to their advantage.
The tiki-taka style was a conscious decision made by the Spanish FA to play possession football so as to mitigate any physical disadvantage Spain may have had.
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