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re: Liverpool FC 2013/2014 - Season Long Thread

Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:05 pm to
Posted by The Mick
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:05 pm to
Im not saying pool did a great job. What I'm saying is just as packing in the defense is a tactic against an attacking team - taking long shots is one way to beat a full defense. It didnt work and they made some bad decisions for sure. I'm just noting that is a known tactic against a packed defense. Its hard to build up and create in the final 1/3 vs that many men. (I 'think' the thought is either goals or potential rebounds with off the ball teammates crashing, which they didnt do either)


edit: ps - their other mistake imo is not bringing more players forward. Chelsea had 9 guys back with only Ba up top alone. Didnt need 4 guys playing defense (although johnson was up sometimes). Could have put more guys in the box amongst the defenders and just sent a bunch of balls in, hope for chaotic bounces and get on end of something.
This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:14 pm to
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ot bringing more players forward. Chelsea had 9 guys back with only Ba up top alone. Didnt need 4 guys playing defense (although johnson was up sometimes). Could have put more guys in the box amongst the defenders and just sent a bunch of balls in, hope for chaotic bounces and get on end of something.


We spent a good portion of the second half with both Flano and Johnson high up near the 18. Played with our two CBs back and a mid-fielder in between them and the box. You can't fault the number of guys we had playing up for this one, imo.

Posted by The Mick
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:27 pm to
You guess you're right, especially 2nd half. Was flan up there in 1st as well? Like I said, I know johnson was up there a good bit
Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 2:57 pm to
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Was flan up there in 1st as well? Like I said, I know johnson was up there a good bit


My recollection is that we did what we normally do - one would almost always be up, and because of that, the other back. Plus at least one central midfielder further back. Flanno was definitely forward a good bit in the first half.

Chelsea was also at times keeping Salah a little more offensive in the first half, requiring us to keep one fullback further back and not fully commit to so many guys forward.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:06 pm to
I wonder if cp and newcastle will try the same...
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 3:39 pm to
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Chelsea was also at times keeping Salah a little more offensive in the first half,


I'd take my chances with the air vs. Salah.
Posted by joey barton
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 5:20 pm to
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(I 'think' the thought is either goals or potential rebounds with off the ball teammates crashing, which they didnt do either)


In desperation...

Normally, you'd try to make the goalkeeper work hard enough to force the opposition to actually close you down, e.g., next time you're watching a game featuring Ronaldo, see what happens when he cuts in on his right foot within 35 yards of goal. If you can't do that, it's kind of pointless. There's a fine line between, "we'll let them have that all day" and, "oh shite, make it stop."
Posted by TheZaba
FL
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 5:53 pm to
I think the high number of shots outside the 18 was due to their being space there. That's one of the few games Gerrard has had that much space available at the top of the box. I don't have a problem with him taking the shots, but I do remember Coutinho taking a couple that were pretty desperate.

I kind of agree with Mick. The more we pushed forward trying to break them down, the further the defense sagged leaving a little space for shots. Was it super high percentage shots? Maybe not, but we took what we were given.

Sure, they could've been more patient, but we've never been overly patient in attack like arsenal. We took what they gave us.
Posted by wm72
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 6:12 pm to
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I think the high number of shots outside the 18 was due to their being space there. That's one of the few games Gerrard has had that much space available at the top of the box. I don't have a problem with him taking the shots, but I do remember Coutinho taking a couple that were pretty desperate.

I kind of agree with Mick. The more we pushed forward trying to break them down, the further the defense sagged leaving a little space for shots. Was it super high percentage shots? Maybe not, but we took what we were given.



The teams that successfully break down a packed and organized defense usually do so more often through swinging the ball quickly instead of shooting when there's space for a shot and thereby finding lanes to play the ball to feet to someone either in or on the edge of the box (like Suarez who's about the best there is aside from Messi with the ball at his feet in the box!).

The Atletico Madrid (mainly crosses) and Liverpool (long shots and impatient crosses) methods are much less likely to break down a Mourinho type defense.

That said, this is also perhaps an area where Liverpool's depth comes into play.

I could be wrong but Sturridge and Sterling (and Johnson) seem much better suited to lightning attacks where they're running into space instead of quick one-touch passes in tight spaces around a packed penalty area.

Henderson would have helped--from what I've seen of him-- but it's also a clear message as to the type attacking player(s) that Liverpool may need to add this summer to take a step forward.





This post was edited on 4/28/14 at 6:14 pm
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:30 pm to
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I disagree that defensive coaching is easy to coach.


This is why he came off as a child in the presser. Not the buses comment.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:32 pm to
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Jamie Carragher said Liverpool and Liverpool fans have no right to complain about this. Bc they used to do it in the 70's and 80's and he said his teams used to do it all the time even when Rafa was coaching.


I have never in almost 20 years of being a fan seen our squad pull a man back from the halfway line to take a goal kick in the third minute. Its not the reason we lost, but it was as Mexican as it comes. And I'd be willing to bet, barring injury, we've never resorted to such extreme tactics to waste time. That being said, it worked. Got in the players heads.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 8:45 pm to
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I could be wrong but Sturridge and Sterling (and Johnson) seem much better suited to lightning attacks where they're running into space instead of quick one-touch passes in tight spaces around a packed penalty area.

I think this is right on point. That's why pool are so much more lethal when they open up space and struggle against the more compact sides. Suarez is great in tight spaces, but I'm not sure about the other players. I made almost this exact same point yesterday in the Chelsea thread.
Posted by BleedPurpleGold
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 4/28/14 at 10:17 pm to



Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 2:15 am to
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I have never in almost 20 years of being a fan seen our squad pull a man back from the halfway line to take a goal kick in the third minute. Its not the reason we lost, but it was as Mexican as it comes.


Dude you watched the video, he even said its exactly what they did vs Barca and where called a disgrace to the game

Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 6:33 am to
Liverpool have never resorted to any dark tactics to get a result just like they were simply a "mid table club on the rise" when the majority of their American fans hopped on their non-bandwagon.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 8:01 am to
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Liverpool have never resorted to any dark tactics to get a result just like they were simply a "mid table club on the rise" when the majority of their American fans hopped on their non-bandwagon.



you said it not me

but Bleed isn't one of the ones we don't speak of.
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:34 am to
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
35474 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:51 am to
I was channeling my inner SCH with that comment.
Posted by tsmi136
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:06 am to
But you didn't make a comment about the empty stands
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
35474 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:11 am to
Or the singing. Still have much work to do obviously....
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