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re: Jurgy dropping truth bombs about the CONCACAF Nations Leauge
Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:20 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:20 am to StraightCashHomey21
He might be. Berhalter is bad. JK was disorganized, played players out of position, had no cogency with regards to how he wanted us to play, and couldn't implement his vision because he had no experience implementing it. He got the job based on his time with the GMNT, but we've seen with regards to that job that he was at the beginning of a golden generation, and he was aided a lot by Low as well as a well-structured FA, who understood that you had to put a ton of money into youth development to produce results.
He had none of that here. His tactical awareness was surprisingly low. He often regressed to things like motivation and spirit, when in fact those are secondary to positioning, which was always wayward.
For all of Bob Bradley's faults, our spacing off the ball wasn't the issue. His player selection might have been, but we were a better team in 2009-10 than we were for all of this decade. At the very least, we were better organized. Bradley's "empty bucket" system got the most out of Donovan and Dempsey. If Davies never got hurt, who knows how far we would have gone in 2010.
He had none of that here. His tactical awareness was surprisingly low. He often regressed to things like motivation and spirit, when in fact those are secondary to positioning, which was always wayward.
For all of Bob Bradley's faults, our spacing off the ball wasn't the issue. His player selection might have been, but we were a better team in 2009-10 than we were for all of this decade. At the very least, we were better organized. Bradley's "empty bucket" system got the most out of Donovan and Dempsey. If Davies never got hurt, who knows how far we would have gone in 2010.
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Posted on 10/3/19 at 10:48 am to Broski
Jurgen earned a lot of hate in his stint, but he still seems to have a better understanding of what we should be doing from a macro perspective than whoever is in charge now. It was just a mistake to put him in charge of the micromanagement of the team.
Even then, its hard to judge his actual managerial tenure in comparison to his successors, because the team just seemed so much stronger then with a core of veterans.
Obviously, most people feel that his inadequacy as a manager held the team back somewhat, but I’m not sure that his vision and implementation of his beliefs didn’t make up for what he lacked as a manager.
At least it felt like we were going somewhere.
Even then, its hard to judge his actual managerial tenure in comparison to his successors, because the team just seemed so much stronger then with a core of veterans.
Obviously, most people feel that his inadequacy as a manager held the team back somewhat, but I’m not sure that his vision and implementation of his beliefs didn’t make up for what he lacked as a manager.
At least it felt like we were going somewhere.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:05 am to uway
He would be better suited as a technical director than a manager
Posted on 10/3/19 at 11:07 am to StraightCashHomey21
Or President
Posted on 10/3/19 at 2:45 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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he is still better than what we have now
You gonna explain how you reached this conclusion or nah? GGG at least has something resembling a tactical framework. “Being nasty” was the extent of Jurgen’s coaching genius.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 3:26 pm to uway
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Or President
Oh God no.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 7:01 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I wish we could join UEFA. Sure, we would qualify about half of the time but long-term it would be better and easier b/c our kids won't need to wait until they're 18 to go to these soccer leagues like Bundeslinga.
Posted on 10/3/19 at 7:35 pm to cwil177
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Still waiting on Greggggg to play a DM at right wing or a winger at DM. We need that kind of elite thinking back in the program.
Well didn't he kinda already do that with Adams at right back?
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 7:55 pm to BCLA
quote:Adams at least had split time at DM/RB in the recent past and would be playing a lot of DM in that role.
Well didn't he kinda already do that with Adams at right back?
This post was edited on 10/3/19 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 10/3/19 at 8:03 pm to BCLA
Yeah Adams had played as a right wingback for Red Bull. Also the inverted DM thing isn’t something he pulled out of his arse, as much as it seems that way. Man shitty has done the same thing at times under pep.
Posted on 10/6/19 at 11:31 pm to cwil177
It’s not a coaching issue. It’s a players issue. Entire system is a complete joke??
Posted on 10/7/19 at 12:45 pm to TutHillTiger
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It’s not a coaching issue.
lulz
the coaching iseue is directly tied to the system issues
Posted on 10/7/19 at 4:52 pm to Broski
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We need to be able to prove we can dominate CONCACAF before we talk about needing to leave
Bro, did you ignore everything he said? Did you even read the damn post!
He's saying the nation's league is a fricking waste. It is. He lays it out, we will have one international window to schedule teams outside of concacaf.
Without this tourney, we still play concacaf on the reg.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 2:42 pm to uway
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Jurgen earned a lot of hate in his stint, but he still seems to have a better understanding of what we should be doing from a macro perspective than whoever is in charge now. It was just a mistake to put him in charge of the micromanagement of the team.
Which has always been the case. He had the mind for what we should be doing and how to get where we wanted to go, but he wasn't the person to have making tactical decisions on match day. The problem is when everyone's crying over someone's head for saying this shite, no one with the same skill set wants to come here to do the same thing.
We've been arguing over this for 5 years now, but Jurgen was the right man for the future in the wrong position.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 3:38 pm to Dijkstra
Yeah Jurgen would have been a decent technical director but he was always a shitty manager.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 3:43 pm to StraightCashHomey21
The real problem is the best athletes play football, basketball, and baseball.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 3:45 pm to TutHillTiger
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It’s not a coaching issue. It’s a players issue. Entire system is a complete joke??
It’s definitely a coaching issue, but it’s also your other two points as well. We have shite players, and the USSF as a whole is a joke.
And the players that aren’t shite are just too young to really do anything about it at the moment. But I definitely believe we’d be playing better soccer with a better coach. GGGG is a fricking clown. I would love some sort of authoritarian type coach that would just be ruthless with these players, while cock slapping the too comfortable USSF. Would that type of coach make us a better team? Probably not, but at least everyone involved with USSF would be as miserable as we are as fans.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:20 pm to Philzilla2k
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The real problem is the best athletes play football, basketball, and baseball.
No
Posted on 10/8/19 at 4:43 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Agreed. The real issue is US trying to make up for lost time and infrastructure (scouts, the overall soccer iq when it comes to tactics from coaches to parents). US soccer is improving but by hook and crook, not by some grand plan by design.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 6:26 pm to Philzilla2k
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The real problem is the best athletes play football, basketball, and baseball.
lol clueless. If anything the reliance on physicality has hampered the development of smaller, more technical players in this country
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