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Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:36 pm to slackster
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That being said, loving everyone and respecting everyone isn’t the problem l
You must be new here.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:42 pm to SandstormOnHigh
This is a hard teaching to internalize and few practice it.
25:31-46
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me
25:31-46
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:43 pm to SandstormOnHigh
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What are your thoughts?
I think that if you don't give up all your worldly possessions to follow Jesus and spread his word your commitment is questionable.
I think Jesus would abhor our wealth inequality especially as purported Christians allow others to suffer on the street.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:47 pm to SandstormOnHigh
Christians today read his teachings in the Bible and don’t feel that way about him
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:50 pm to SandstormOnHigh
Jesus preached charity, not socialism. He supported traditional families and gender roles. He would not tolerate grooming or sexual perversion. He believed in law and order.
Jesus would be considered more socially conservative than liberal by today's standards.
Jesus would be considered more socially conservative than liberal by today's standards.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:51 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
Agreed. If you are preaching Christianity and not offending anyone, you are not preaching Christianity.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 11:11 pm to SandstormOnHigh
“Sell all that you have and give it to the poor…”, was Jesus’s answer to the rich man inquiring about how to go to heaven. On its face that can be interpreted as absolute socialism, but it is less about concern for the poor as to the point of the rich man’s honest question, “as the poor will be with you ALWAYS “. The answer being that one who aspires to spiritual growth must make a total commitment to spiritual growth if one truly wants to move up to a Spiritual Paradigm or ‘Heaven’. “Flesh and blood can not enter the kingdom…”. IMO, that Spiritual ‘place’ is a place of feeling and perception which is BY DEGREE, as all people in that ‘place’ or the current one will not be equal re what they see and feel. “He that soweth sparingly will reap sparingly and he that soweth bountifully…” affirms such. We all are on different levels and to the degree that we are content with where we are and where we are headed re which feelings and perceptions we experience, and hope to experience more so in our journey forward…then we are in our right place. Jesus said “ I came that you might have life and life more abundantly” and as Einstein rightly noted “life is like riding a bicycle, as long as you are moving forward you won’t lose balance and tip over”. Our culture is both very narcissistic and materialistic and the repetitive task required to serve these two aspects of our feeling/perception reality can lull one’s spirit into the “life of quiet desperation “ perceptive bubble. It is a hard time for a vision of Love and likely to get worse, and Jesus would point that out. Especially people whose lot in life (Predestined?) whose abilities and/or work are boring as in Joel’s song “Piano Man/“some place he’d rather be”. “Many are called yet few are chosen “, and I suspect that I am not ready for much more than a visit (upon my death) to true Heaven, and then back to the dirty work and unfinished business of refining my character. Of course, I will bow to my Lord Jesus Christ in whatever form His loving judgment may take for my own journey. Many are like me, we are currently not ready to be Saints. We would like to know more about our own self, like ‘Adam and Eve’, as we live the drama and test ourselves against the Dark side. And if we prevail, we then have something of our own to offer in gratitude to our loving Creator and His Son, sent to save us from ourselves. Rejection of Love would be rejection of Jesus, by degree. That would be the short answer. IMO, humbly so. Just late night mud on the wall as one never knows what one will get on this Forum. Crazy and interesting stuff for sure. Good question. Good luck and God speed.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 11:21 pm to SandstormOnHigh
I actually have always objected to this take and it's for the following reason
In scripture not one time does Jesus instruct the government to help the poor. He does not advocate for the taking of wealth from rich people and giving it to the poor. What He does is command the rich to be give to the poor on their own accord and their own free will as to which statistics show that American Christians are among the most charitable groups in the entire world
Could American Christian better follow Jesus's teachings regarding the poor? I'm sure they could but this claim that they completely contradict them is false
In scripture not one time does Jesus instruct the government to help the poor. He does not advocate for the taking of wealth from rich people and giving it to the poor. What He does is command the rich to be give to the poor on their own accord and their own free will as to which statistics show that American Christians are among the most charitable groups in the entire world
Could American Christian better follow Jesus's teachings regarding the poor? I'm sure they could but this claim that they completely contradict them is false
Posted on 4/23/25 at 11:23 pm to RCDfan1950
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Sell all that you have and give it to the poor…”, was Jesus’s answer to the rich man inquiring about how to go to heaven.
Furthermore He told the Rich to sell everything he had by his OWN CHOICE , Jesus never said the Roman government should come in and TAKE what the man had and redistribute it amongst the poor
Posted on 4/23/25 at 11:35 pm to Wishnitwas1998
A good parent is a fool if they give everything to their child and create an entitlement mindset in them. And Envy - obviously on the part of them who have less - is the original sin which got Lucifer booted from Heaven. “The LOVE of money is the root of all evil”. I know rich people who use their money to do good stuff. I hope to an acquire that power some day and not be corrupted by it. Time will tell if I can cut it. Assuming I have time, in the next life. I do hope and pray that the coming tidal wave of Knowledge/Power can lift up the good poor in our World. And deal real justice to both the rich and poor evil ones. Who knows how that works out.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 11:43 pm to Wishnitwas1998
In all fairness, W, the Government in Jesus time was not a Democracy. And both the Romans and Pharisees likely thought that whacking the trouble maker Jesus was for the good of the people. Professing to be THE Son of God was a pretty big reach. And if those miracles really happened, then it’s game on re the power that be. Kinda like MAGA against the Globalist Deep State. Zero sum game.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:45 am to SandstormOnHigh
Today's got nothing to do with it.
For 2025 years now, they've all conveniently ignored his proclaming that a rich man cannot get to heaven.
For 2025 years now, they've all conveniently ignored his proclaming that a rich man cannot get to heaven.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 5:33 am to SandstormOnHigh
Most American Christians would deny Him when He asked them to give up their home, or truck, or LSU season tickets, or 401K etc. This is not me saying I wouldn't do the same. It is me pointing the finger at myself. I believe we, as a country of Christians, are reaching our forced exile moment, and when it happens, I believe it will be the same as when Babylon took over Judah. The LORD will ask us to go quietly, and many will fight back like Zedekiah when they realize we never actually fought for the LORD.
See 2 Kings 24 and 25 for context.
See 2 Kings 24 and 25 for context.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 5:38 am to 4cubbies
Smfh. Your NW white woman "pretzel gotcha" attempts are insufferable.
Surprised you didn't add in gay tranny lesbian midgets.
BTW - teaching people "how to fish" doesn't mean you hate them.
Surprised you didn't add in gay tranny lesbian midgets.
BTW - teaching people "how to fish" doesn't mean you hate them.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 5:44 am to SandstormOnHigh
What's interesting is that I've recently been wondering what would it take for today's Jews to buy into believing the Messiah they've been waiting for.
Imo the OP is too hard to determine, because there's no way our lives/society would be anything like it is now if it weren't for Him coming to save us 2000ish years ago.
Imo the OP is too hard to determine, because there's no way our lives/society would be anything like it is now if it weren't for Him coming to save us 2000ish years ago.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:01 am to SandstormOnHigh
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His views would be labeled as "liberal" or even "socialist".
What are you basing this on? Did the "He gets us" commercials tell you this?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 6:03 am to SandstormOnHigh
the great thing about my faith is it's 2000 years old, as for you how bout you eat schit, do you like apples, how bout them apples.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 7:32 am to SandstormOnHigh
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What are your thoughts?
I'm atheist, so I don't have a dog in this hunt, but I am very knowledgeable of the Bible.
I agree with your assessment. There are "Christians" alive today who would reject his teachings.
Downvote away, but for context, I'm anti-abortion, anti-illegal immigrant, anti-interventionism, anti-funding of foreign countries including Israel, anti-trans, anti-pedophile, etc.
Voted for Trump 3 times. So, basically full-on MAGA with the exception of support for Israel.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 7:35 am
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