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re: You guys realize the word "shithole" isn't what people are upset about, right?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:53 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Many nations in europe have much lower rates of immigration and their economies are just fine.
Name them. Let's compare circumstances.
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Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:53 pm to WheelRoute
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You couldn't be more wrong. Immigration is one of our core economic advantages. We need immigrants to make up for a declining birth rate and a rising median age.
Utter bullshite.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:53 pm to truthbetold
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Like some fricking socialist Norwegians?
We can compromise. Just let in the Norwegian women (age 20-25..must have blond hair).
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:54 pm to Yak
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According to Census data, more than 43 percent of African immigrants hold a bachelor’s degree or higher -- slightly more than immigrants from East Asia.
Great, so sounds like we can cut our immigration from Africa by at least 57%.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:54 pm to Iosh
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Immigration is recruiting the best and brightest.
Was that the reason for immigration for the majority of the Haitian and El Salvadorian immigrants that came over? I think the programs for compassionate immigration and the volume of illegal immigration is what a portion of the country objects to. Not the educated legal immigrants. I'll leave the J1 immigrants out of it, as that is a different problem.
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. The act of picking up and moving to another country across the ocean is a huge test of someone's ambition and work ethic.
Fair point
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for instance, Nigerian-Americans kick the shite out of both Americans and Nigerians when it comes to income and educational attainment.
Agreed. I actually know alot immigrants from "shithole" African countries working and excelling in STEM careers.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:54 pm to Korkstand
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Trump very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places.
Well....yeah? "MERIT-based immigration". What skills do the shitholers bring? How will they assimilate to our society? Will their skills be a net positive or a net drain on our country?
We've got enough trouble taking care of the people who are already here. If we're going to open our doors to outsiders, should we not have some level of say so in evaluating why they deserve to be here?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:55 pm to Yak
quote:I said marketable skills. I didn't mention how many degrees they have. My son in law is working on a PhD in history from a mid tier university. Even when he graduates he will still have no marketable skills.
Oh really?
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Perhaps most surprising is that, by many measures, the most-educated immigrant group in the U.S. isn't East Asians. It’s Africans.
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According to Census data, more than 43 percent of African immigrants hold a bachelor’s degree or higher -- slightly more than immigrants from East Asia. Nigerian immigrants are especially educated, with almost two-thirds holding college degrees -- a significantly higher percentage even than Chinese or South Korean immigrants. African immigrants are also very likely to hold advanced degrees, many of which are earned at U.S. universities. By many measures, African immigrants are as far ahead of American whites in the educational achievement as whites are ahead of African-Americans.
The article you linked doesn't mention what the Nigerian degrees are in. So what are they in? What marketable skills do they have? And fwiw, I have known some Nigerian immigrants and they are great. Hard working, industrious, grateful to be in America.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:55 pm to Centinel
quote:WTfrick do you mean "and"? It's right there in the OP. All you had to do was read the rest of the damned sentence.quote:And?
you are still left with what is clearly class-based discrimination
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, and IMO that isn't the way the land of opportunity should present itself to the world
It even started with the word "and"!
frick.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:55 pm to Korkstand
quote:he 100% right though. We should be taking people from Norway instead of fricking Central America/Haiti/African shitholes. Let's see, what makes our country stronger and better, well educated, hard working, law-abiding Norwegian with some kind of useful specialty or skill, or uneducated, poverty-stricken, Salvadoran who is either going to come and get in social services or is a ms-13 member? This should not be a controversial position
The upsetting thing is that Trump very clearly insinuated that people who live in shithole countries are less worthy of becoming Americans than people from other places. Even if you strip away the possible (likely?) racist angle, you are still left with what is clearly class-based discrimination, and IMO that isn't the way the land of opportunity should present itself to the world
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:55 pm to Salmon
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Name them. Let's compare circumstances.
I'll save you the trouble. They're all overwhelmingly white homogeneous populations.
... and before you fire back with "Muh white people!" the key there is homogeneous.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:56 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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We've got enough trouble taking care of the people who are already here. If we're going to open our doors to outsiders, should we not have some level of say so in evaluating why they deserve to be here?
Literally no one is making an argument otherwise
Why do y'all continue to vomit this response out continually?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:56 pm to Salmon
quote:germany,france, the scandinavian nations, etc
Name them. Let's compare circumstances.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:57 pm to CptRusty
quote:You can't see the real underlying issue here, and because of that, you are a moron.
Great, so sounds like we can cut our immigration from Africa by at least 57%.
We should probably just kick you out and replace you with an educated Nigerian.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:57 pm to Korkstand
quote:completely irrelevant. How we present our country to world means nothing. Feel free to agree.
IMO that isn't the way the land of opportunity should present itself to the world.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:57 pm to narddogg81
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well educated, hard working, law-abiding Norwegian
Someone has never been to Norway.
Bro, I can guarantee you. GUARANTEE YOU. That the legal African immigrant in question is going to outwork the nannypants Norwegian socialist.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:57 pm to shinerfan
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Utter bullshite.
Hey, why think when you can just feel, amirite?
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:57 pm to Korkstand
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WTfrick do you mean "and"? It's right there in the OP. All you had to do was read the rest of the damned sentence.
And...I don't give two shits about how we should "present ourself to the world."
Because guess what...the world doesn't give two shits about us outside of what advantage they can get over us.
Welcome to the real world.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:58 pm to WheelRoute
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Hey, why think when you can just feel, amirite?
Aye, Ronnie.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:58 pm to WheelRoute
Curious as to why that matter? Being serious. I don’t understand.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:58 pm to Lsuhoohoo
quote:It's amazing how yall are completely changing the situation so you find a way to agree with it and make yourself feel better.
Well....yeah? "MERIT-based immigration". What skills do the shitholers bring? How will they assimilate to our society? Will their skills be a net positive or a net drain on our country?
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